Lesbian speed dating event accused of transphobia for not allowing men

[SamW98]

Seriously WTAF??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

This.

Settled and middle aged, friends ignore all this in their couples and families, and the local groups I knew have gone underground to avoid it.

Thank God I'm no longer that vulnerable, newly out eighteen year old who relied on the local adverts to find the groups and supportive older lesbians who helped so much. I worry a lot about the current youngsters who will find those groups advertised and their participation and acceptance will be conditional on them nodding vigorously and swearing, (possibly with fingers behind their backs) that they are absolutely braced and ready to get their knickers off for any male who commands on the grounds of his identity trumping their reality and autonomy.

You may be publicly lesbian these days only if you are in fact (at least in what you say) bi, enthused about penises, shout frequently about how many wonderful lesbians have penises, and do exactly what you're told by male people and their 'allies'.

If you're actually homosexual, you're supposed to do it in secret behind closed doors and not ever speak about it in case of polluting people. It's like the seventies are back, just with one hell of a lot more tedious and boring people all over the place, flapping flags and shouting bollocks.

Just to clarify, that ruling is only for Tasmania not the whole country.

Tasmania’s Anti Discrimination Act has “gender” and “gender identity” but not sex as characteristics. https://www.legislation.tas.gov.au/view/whole/html/inforce/current/act-1998-046

this isn’t true for other states of federally.

Well, let’s see what happens in sal’s case now that HREOC have got involved. We might find Gillards inclusion of Gender in the federal act in 2013 tested. Haven’t the sports associations made noises about how they are powerless against the federal law for exclusion. I thought Kieran Perkins said something along those lines recently too (now there was a disappointment!) .

They are not powerless. The federal Act allows single-sex sports explicitly.

but as this is an Antipodean detail of the UK speed dating thread, I’ll start a new one.

To be fair, I have not studied the act since the late 90s when I did IR at uni. I chose another career. So I have not reviewed it closely enough.

there are plenty of ways to avoid the QT homophobes – if you’re of a certain age and stably coupled. The homophobia of the Q T world isn’t evident at suburban school pickup when you’re a middle aged lesbian couple with primary school kids. I can attest!

that's probably because you're a boring, old, middle aged woman. Gay or not, we are all just invisible. I imagine these people want to be affirmed by what they consider sexy young lesbians. As a middle aged one you're probably only of interest if you are gatekeeping something they want, like a changing room.

I see where you’re going with this, but I think it goes deeper than that. It’s more that once you’re outside the inner city gay ghetto and official organisations, trans people don’t even pop up. There are plenty of lesbians of various ages around my district, but no TW have announced their presence. Scouts, teams sports and school events just don’t attract QT people’s attention. All the trans people I know are from subcultural connections and old friends and acquaintances. Not l where I live now.

in other words, trans people are distributed very unevenly. Which is why a lot of the issues with gender vs sex don’t register for many non-LBG people unless the school system has been overrun. Very much a class issue, too.

They are going after Jenny's job. Her latest statement.

So, I'm getting called out for supposedly making up the whole thing about our events getting cancelled. What I'm about to write might seem overkill ('cos it is) but this is where I am at right now:
"What in the world are you trying to convey? TRAs have demanded that venues don't hold my events due to my views (that lesbians don’t have penises…), and the venues have caved in, obviously. When I attempted to secure new venues, guess what happened? I have screenshots to prove this, and I'm happy to share them. But right now, all of this is making my head spin.

Just one week ago I was hosting a wee event that spread a bit of joy. Suddenly, everything has unravelled because a MAN refused to respect the boundaries of WOMEN at a LESBIAN event. No falsehoods here buddy. It’s been an utterly mind-boggling and also scary experience. Why do you think I would lie? What would be the point? What do I gain from that? Absolutely nothing. All that's happened is me losing a significant portion of my income, and receiving a bunch of nasty threats and (false) accusations. Sure, I've had lots of support but my life has also been completely upended.

Contrary to what some people are saying, dealing with media attention is far from enjoyable. However, if it’s necessary to reclaim my life back (and expose the shit out of this dogma) then I’ll go ahead and do that too. While attention might boost some people's self-esteem, it’s not having that effect on me. If you look at the comments section on YouTube, you'll find remarks like “With a face like that, no wonder she's a lesbian," along with numerous critiques about the way I speak (I was shitting myself with nerves so yeah, I wasn’t eloquent). I’m a socially anxious person (when beer isn't involved) but am trying my best to hide this during interviews. Please go ahead and brush this off as a melodramatic tale though.

I've lost my side hustle, it was my income. As for my 9-to-5 job, HR is conducting an investigation, and my face is everywhere in the media (I am not opposed to this and think it’s important but it still feels weird and uncomfortable; I can't even watch the videos because it makes me cringe). Please refrain from accusing me of deceit; find another target for your bullying. I didn’t want this, they did; and they got it."

Her HR team need a reminder (or informing) that sexual orientation is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act, as is gender critical belief.

This isn’t OK. I don’t understand why there isn’t an uproar over this.

It honestly feels like something out of A Handmaid’s Tale. But it’s real life.

It’s likely to be “bringing the organisation into disrepute” if the online scrapping has been on accounts that identify where she works.

I would hope this is an investigation intended to clear her name……

It’s likely to be “bringing the organisation into disrepute”

That's not a free pass to discriminate against people.

This is horrific.

Is there a way we can support Jenny?

Absolutely disgusting but I’m sure none of us are shocked.

More evidence this isn’t about being accepted and inclusive, it’s about TRA’s wanting to destroy anything women enjoy for themselves and make entitlement.
And any pesky women who dare stand up and say no will be bullied, vilified and ultimately destroyed for daring not to roll over and pander to every male fetish.

Well if she wants to sue the venue or her if she needs to sue her employer I'm up for a spot of gardening. I would hope LGB Alliance might be on this, helping direct her to previous legal cases and support.

deffo up for gardening. It's a lovely day to plant.

Yes me too. We're going to have to bring court case after court case, until organisations have to be aware that they can't discriminate for gender critical beliefs any more than they could refuse to employ a black or gay person.

This.

Their immediate reaction to TRA threats has to be no. And if gets worse no, and fuck off. Followed by pollce involvement.

Absolutely agree. But they could steer away from the subject matter by just making it about public links to her job at a time when the media were scrutinising her.

I’m not saying that’s right, but it wouldn’t be illegal.

@FFSWhatToDoNow
Tricky for the employers if it wasn't Jenny that brought her work into it. If the gender zealots found out where she worked and contacted her employers, triggering an HR investigation, I can't see that being a goer in a tribunal. Especially since what she is doing is lawful and not immoral. Maybe if the terms of her employment do not permit her to do other work but I would think that is unlikely.

Secondary work policies are common.

indeed, if the HR dept have drunk the koolaid they could be stepping into shark-infested waters here depending on what they are investigating.

We're going to have to bring court case after court case, until organisations have to be aware that they can't discriminate for gender critical beliefs any more than they could refuse to employ a black or gay person.

Exactly @Ereshkigalangcleg

But it does make me wonder, as Kate Harris of LGBA said, just what really good things all this money that (mostly) women are raising could have been better spent - on supporting lesbians and gay men in various countries where they are in danger, for example. Lobbying those governments, for example.

Instead, we are having to support comrades in a supposed liberal democracy, for speaking about scientific fact, and same-sex attraction.

Bit cheeky unless you're paying £££ in my opinion.

But in any case that would just be their face-saving excuse, because nobody knew where Jenny works so she can't have been said to be bringing her employer's reputation down.

Have any organisations commented on this other than the LGBA?

Are any on the trans-activist side openly supporting lesbians being forced to include biological males for dating?