Lesbian speed dating event accused of transphobia for not allowing men

[SamW98]

Seriously WTAF??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

Someone on another thread talked about the fact that some people don't understand the difference between fair and unfair discrimination and think that all discrimination is bad.

Sadly this attributes logic and fairness of application where there is none. I have lately seen a lofty 'sometimes it is necessary to exclude to include' from an activist, dismissing the issue of women having nothing so that male people can express themselves and live their best lives by having everything.

So yes, they get the concept. The common factor is that 'good inclusion' means male people get what they want and 'bad inclusion' means they encounter boundaries or are required to cope with other people having equality with them. 'Inclusion' is another of those words borrowed to manipulate the caring and good faith into usefully serving the political agenda, there is absolutely no interest in or commitment to the values contained in it. Only in how the word can be leveraged to make others do what is wanted.

@Froodwithatowel I've rarely seen it put so clearly. Thank you for that post.

Of course TW don't want to date TW. I suspect it's just another way their homophobia expresses itself - they are straight men who know that a lesbian TW is also a straight man. If they have sex together it would be like they were a gay man, and that would be doubly offensive to each TW.

Anybody remember the vomit inducing gem that is "a TW's penis is a soft and gentle thing"?

It was like a butterfly or some such wasn’t it? <shudder>

Anybody remember the vomit inducing gem that is "a TW's penis is a soft and gentle thing"?

Cassie someone. I think they even graced FWR with their presence, IIRC.

It was "docile"

FFS! Yes. I remember.

Also the reports that they taste different and more feminine.

This is so upsetting to me as a lesbian. Women were slowly getting their rights back and now It's as if we're going backwards. 'Yes we accept you as lesbians but only if you include men or even ARE them!'

Slight tangent, but I'm getting a vague recollection of a TW who demanded access to a women's changing area and when the women began to use different facilities in preference, demanded that they be forced to use the facilities that the TW was using. I've got a feeling it was a workplace and the TW complained to HR?

It's all about the validation.

A hospital in Sheffield, maybe? Catering worker, not medical staff.

We recently had a poster berate women with the reassurance that males suppression their testosterone had reduced ‘sexual urges’ so were very much safer than males in general. Wouldn’t produce any evidence. Just told us to Google it. And never came back when we provided evidence of the unreliability of testosterone suppression, that males with lower testosterone don’t reliably have ‘reduced sexual urges from erectile disfunction studies and that there is evidence that males with low testosterone sometimes committed even worse sex crimes because of their frustration and a whole slew of evidence.

They couldn’t seem to accept either that males with trans identities just lurved their penises and also lurved getting them out for self published porn.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027471/Trans-NHS-worker-wins-discrimination-case-confronted-underwear.html

@YouJustDoYou “Stupid man parts” 😂😂😂 love it

"The authors of the notes and the women who made the offensive comments were never identified despite an investigation, however the trust admitted all three incidents happened."

So TW says these things happened, trust validated it. That's the extent of the evidence, yes?

And for fucks sake, women who are getting changed for work don't go around without underwear on. Ever.

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that these things were said. I've worked in the NHS for a long time and there are some disgusting attitudes and prejudice in the NHS. It is not ok to call people who've transitioned 'freaks' or 'trannies' or to leave anonymous notes in people's lockers or to chat shit behind a colleague's back. I find all that completely believable and completely horrible.

Informing women that they are going to have male colleagues changing in a room with them because they have transitioned is a questionable thing to do and I wish that was seen as discriminatory against women. I have taken everything off in a women's changing room, that's what it's for, I have a few continence issues, though yes normally I would keep my pants on or go into a cubicle). It doesn't make the specific reaction of these women OK and I won't be on 'their side'.

I don't think it was that one - the one I'm thinking of specifically had the TW outraged that the women were choosing to change somewhere else.

So TW says these things happened, trust validated it. That's the extent of the evidence, yes?

Yes. Those of us who've been through the judgment with a fine tooth comb (several very long threads here) are somewhat sceptical of the complainant's version of events, shall we say.

I think that was a post, possibly on reddit, from a tw in Norway.

Or, I need to stop eating cheese before bed.

I agree that it's not OK to use that sort of language or leave notes etc.

Informing women that males will be changing with them is more than 'questionable' though.

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that these things were said. I've worked in the NHS for a long time and there are some disgusting attitudes and prejudice in the NHS. It is not ok to call people who've transitioned 'freaks' or 'trannies' or to leave anonymous notes in people's lockers or to chat shit behind a colleague's back. I find all that completely believable and completely horrible.

These allegations were extremely dubious.

Iirc, the trust behaved very badly to the women - verging on psychological abuse. And then betrayed them again by barely putting up a defence to the allegations.

I remember the batshit insistence that a 'lady dick' would have a very 'different mouth feel' than the dick on a male currently identifying as a man. 😖

I don't care, I do not do dick at all. This is not an experiment I will ever be participating in.

In other cancellations it seems like Leith Arches have cancelled the comedy unleashed gig at the Edinburgh Festival. Complaints by activists on the opinions of comedians.

It appears to be as a result of complaints from TRA's that Graham Lineham is part of the line-up (only recently revealed - he was previously listed as 'special guest - cancelled comedian'). Leith Arches seems to be a relatively new venue - surprising they haven't learnt from The Stand's humiliating climb down.