Lesbian speed dating event accused of transphobia for not allowing men

[SamW98]

Seriously WTAF??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1691462587794505729?s=20

Was it the thread where the transwoman was upset because the women in the office said they couldn’t use the tampons that were provided by the women in the female toilets? Was that one where the women decamped to a toilet on another floor?

Yes, I read this one too.
This part jumped out for me:

We’re all learning new things about ourselves all the time – that’s what growth and development is about.

It's me, me, me. Look outside yourself. Whole world out there. Obvs you can sleep with who you like (if you both / all want to). Doesn't need it's own special name. It's a bit ,,,, self-absorbed. Expected, and usually tolerated, in teenagers.

Yes, iirc the allegations of name calling and the locker note suddenly and miraculously appeared only after the TW was made aware that women had complained that the TW behaving inappropriately in the change rooms.
No one was ever identified, even though the TW claimed to have heard multiple women who they worked with making comments.
My guess is that there were women who raised concerns and spoke out but what they actually said was so massively twisted and exaggerated, that it wouldn't have looked good if they got to speak for themselves about the likely very reasonable things they'd said.
I remember reading the details at the time and thinking, 'is that so'.

UPDATE

Jenny has reported another venue has closed down a different lesbian meetup she organises this time after hosting them for 6 years. Homophobia in full swing in 2023. Though it seems the LGBA is getting ready to strike. Imagine they are taking their time, gathering evidence, getting their lawyers all in a line so the case is as strong as possible. It will help that the bigoted venues keep on exposing themselves publicly.

Get ready for some gardening if needed though don't be surprised if this never goes to court these places are relying on no-one being ready to challenge their hatred for homosexuality. They have no legal case lesbians are legally allowed to gather. Whatever happens we need to keep shedding light on this. This mass homophobia is going to peak a bunch more people.

That is absolutely crap for Jenny.

I think it might have to go to court to force the issue.

That is concerning and definitely needs litigating.

But I do think also that this is about social compliance- the threat is to the business and its reputation.

What is the threat here? Groups of protesters outside venues. No business wants that. They will be nervous that the police will not disperse them and they would be right to worry.

It's not the alleged discrimination against trans people but what enforcement there is in law to run an event peacefully. That is what business is concerned with.

Appalling. It really does show that lesbians are effecively banned from organising women-only events.

The sickening thing is that we all know that if the situation was completely reversed, ie transmen wanting to attend a gay mens speed dating club and told no, men only, then that would have been it. There wouldn’t have been a carefully orchestrated backlash, the venue targeted, the organiser threatened on social media, the event forced to close. It is about using a stalking horse to target women, their rights to meet, their rights to choose sexual,partners,our rights to say no to men.

It would be better if it goes to court for sure because of the publicity it will get. However they have no case so a sane lawyer would advise them to settle way before that. Unless they have closed down their public function room entirely they can't get away with just banning a particular group legally. This is what happened with Cherry in Scotland the venue thought they were allowed to ban lesbian women with opinions. Cherry threatened them with legal action. Then they talked to a lawyer and backtracked as they realised they had no legal case.

If a group of evangelical Christians with appalling ideas book your room you have to legally accept that even if you despise their ideas. This is just a bunch of lesbians who want to hang out. There is no legal case at all for a public venue to banning them any more than there would be for banning a trans meetup.

It does. The LGBA would be fantastic in court on this based on their last showing, and I don't see that this homophobia has a leg to stand up. But it has to be clearly set in court, as Maya did for women, that no, this can't happen, and the compensation bill will be big. AND push the government another step down the road to fixing the Equality Act as a shield for women against over entitled men, and repealing the GRA.

The activists have pushed it to the point that the repeal of the GRA is now eventually inevitable. They have demonstrated that there are those who cannot be trusted to respect other people's rights or maintain their own balance and simply will use and abuse until the law produces sufficient boundaries and consequences to enforce the respect of others. This has nothing to do with being trans. This has everything to do with misogyny, sexism and abusive behaviour.

Oh and homophobia, racism and ageism.

Lovely lot, this lobby. Not many vulnerable groups they don't loathe and deride.

Sexism and homophobia disguised as self righteous ‘inclusiveness’

these people are just awful

Yes it is about social compliance.

From a group who tells the world they are the most tolerant and most loving.

On the other hand, the more these news stories get publicised, the less people will be unthinkingly supportive towards this group’s demands. By that I don’t mean that they will be less supportive of that group not being discriminated against for being transgender, but less supportive of being told that males are now female and everyone needs to agree and fall into line. And being told they have to believe the falsehoods.

Such as this group is the most tolerant and loving.

I too see this as adding to the reasons for clarifying the EA. I know it has been contentious, but now that these venue cancellations are happening regularly, it is clear that certainty is needed going forward.

Such as Maya’s case. Such as Allison’s case. Such as the case for the Christian bakers.

Either the law has to be tested or tightened. I would prefer it to be tightened so these issues don’t happen again.

Ughhh, 'abrosexual' 🤔Proof that most of this is just people with nothing particularly exciting going on in their life wanting to be seen as one of the special oppressed people.

God it's so tiresome.

She must have a real stiff neck from all that navel gazing twaddle.

Just to spell out in depth as there are some new readers around and I hope some politicians needing the peter and jane version: please go and check what I say here. In depth. Look at the evidence.

This political lobby (many of whose loudest and most influential voices are not themselves trans, so it's interesting to reflect what motives are going on there)

• go on a lot about the evils of homophobia - but only for homosexual women who will not validate a male person's identity with their body in straight sex and 'learn to cope', and say they are 'lesbian' while actually being bisexual. They associate with those who openly discuss violent assault, corrective rape and murder for those who will not comply and wish to be homosexual with the meaning of sex involved.
• go on a lot about the evils of racism, but are supportive only of those of other races as and when their narrative supports the political agenda. When someone of another race has a need that conflicts, the rhetoric moves to 'need to get over ancient patriarchial faiths' and sees women who won't reject their faith, beliefs, culture and community at their command as - well, yet again, go to terfisaslur and see for yourself how such women are spoken of, and what imagery passes through the mind of someone of this political belief. Sexual violence is front and centre. It's always sexual.
• go on endlessly about the evils of patriarchy, but insist that 'woman' is a disempowered bunch of gender stereotypes and are trying to undo years of work by removing women's ability to meet without male supervision and control, their names for themselves, their equality of access to public spaces or to have access at all in some cases due to specific issues related to being a biological female as a fact that cannot be hidden because a male finds it upsetting to be aware of, their access to health care and their ability to talk about their bodies, their pregnancies.
• go on endlessly about the evils of colonialism and their shame in Britain's past - while failing to see the really awful irony.

Please do not blindly believe me. Go and see for yourselves. Critically examine every part. I have every confidence that the evidence will speak for itself, but I have no interest in controlling the narrative or what other people think.

go on a lot about the evils of homophobia - but only for homosexual women who will not validate a male person's identity with their body

Who WILL validate, obviously.

It's very hard talking in constant word salad through not being allowed to speak the truth plainly and clearly in case of offending.

Yes. Ask 'what is a woman' and the answer is an empty simulacrum stripped of embarrassing bodily functions, a pneumatic pornified doll for sexual purposes. Sex positive, sex work positive lib fem who represents male desire and caters for the male gaze.

It's not women with bodies. Its disembodied ideas. It's not women with ideas, beliefs or feelings. It's not women with children, or caring responsibilities. 'Women's rights' are reduced to the ability to control her reproduction, so that she can be used for sex as required and used for babies to order.

'What is a woman' - to these people the answer is 'whatever I say she is'. As if a biological fact could be altered by men's feelings or beliefs.

The whole premise is about severing the link between women and their bodily lived experience and creating a fake connected idea of the feminine so that it can be used to manipulate and control women.

@Helleofabore - the presentation of these groups as peaceful or loving is clear horseshit.

There are ways of lesbians avoiding these people but it really means living a life that is barely part of mainstream society. I assume that is the point of the horseshit people.

I hope the LGBA pursue all these cases and go for damages if possible. Financial cost bothers business; get to the bottom line and it changes how they behave.

Incidentally I would love to know Stonewall's actual view on this incident.

Just to prove the point I made above:

https://twitter.com/nominalnaomi/status/1691470935256190979

'He's straight, so whatever makes his dick hard is a woman'

Ah. I believe that may be satire. I hope it is.

That twitter account seems to be from a tw breast feeding fetishist.

There are ways of lesbians avoiding these people but it really means living a life that is barely part of mainstream society. I assume that is the point of the horseshit people.

lesbian here. I see where you’re coming from, but would reassure everyone that there are plenty of ways to avoid the QT homophobes – if you’re of a certain age and stably coupled. The homophobia of the Q T world isn’t evident at suburban school pickup when you’re a middle aged lesbian couple with primary school kids. I can attest!

the problem is when you’re young and still settling into a friendship group, single, or moved to a new city. That’s why this action by the QT activists is so despicable and why LGBA is so needed.

All power to Jenny’s arm!

The Equality Act defines a sexual orientation as an orientation towards someone of the same sex, opposite sex, or either sex. But the problem is the Equality act doesn’t define what “sex” means. The GRA says that you literally become the sex you identify as for all legal purposes. So my worry is that given the weird interaction between the EA and the GRA it could very well be argued that a lesbian is anyone of the female sex attracted to other members of the female sex … which would include male individuals who have changed their sex under the GRA. We might end up like in Australia where those women were told they couldn’t exclude transwomen from their lesbian groups.