Helleofabore · 12/08/2023 21:42

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 21:35

50% of women have been victims of domestic violence by male partners and ex partners
20-36% of girls are sexually abused in childhood
20% of women have been sexually assaulted or raped since the age of 16 in the UK
3 women per week are killed by men in the UK in 2019 and this has been consistent since this data was collected
3 times more sexual violence is perpetrated against girls in childhood than boys
700,000 - 2,000,000 women and girls are trafficked across the world for sex every year
7-40% of women report that their first sexual experience was forced (rape)
Of female sex workers in the Uk 50% working outdoors and 26% working indoors have been subject to violence
81% of women sex workers in the UK have been beaten, choked, raped, threatened with a weapon, slashed, or stabbed
estimates show that’s hundred of thousands of women are systematically raped during warfare including rape as a tactic for ethnic cleansing through impregnation
60-100 million women are missing from the global population due to sex-selective abortion, female infanticide and deliberate neglect of female newborn babies

sources;
Femicide census 2020 and CSEW 2017

Women and girls matter. I don’t for a second believe that transwomen do not commit sexual assault and rape against women, girls, and children. However MEN far outweigh the balance of predatory risk

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No! I know the stats for violence against women and girls. I have not asked for that AT ALL!

I have been very specific.

Where are your statistics that males in any stage of transition are less likely to commit sex crime than the general male population?

It is the very basis of assessing the risk of male people committing sex crime.

Where is your proof?

Because if you have NO fucking proof you are here telling us that those male people are less risk than any other male in the Uk population!

If you cannot prove what you are advocating for, then it is time to admit you have fucking nothing! You are regurgitating falsehoods from who the fuck cares, but they are falsehoods designed to shame people into accepting male dicks in female single sex spaces. You have been doing that all day.

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 21:44

Kucinghitam · 12/08/2023 21:41

No worries!

Meanwhile, we should all carry on "enjoying" @CalMeKate's brave and stunning work on behalf of The RIght Side of History - I see the flailing through the Bingo card is gaining pace

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I'm honestly hoping that Kate is just working through all the different lines of shit she's been fed and is slowly coming to the conclusion that naked adult men, with or without penis, with or without breasts, no matter what the feels in their head, in changing rooms with naked little girls is never ever ever the correct solution to a problem!

Helleofabore · 12/08/2023 21:44

No, I am going to change that.

You are regurgitating falsehoods from who the fuck cares, but they are falsehoods designed to shame people into accepting male dicks and males without dicks in female single sex spaces. You have been doing that all day.

turbonerd · 12/08/2023 21:45

Kate.
Transwomen are men. It is the one and only prerequisite for being able to call themselves transwomen.

Women are women.
Transwomen are men.

Men are men.
Transmen are women.

The rest is just fluff.

HermioneWeasley · 12/08/2023 21:46

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 21:35

50% of women have been victims of domestic violence by male partners and ex partners
20-36% of girls are sexually abused in childhood
20% of women have been sexually assaulted or raped since the age of 16 in the UK
3 women per week are killed by men in the UK in 2019 and this has been consistent since this data was collected
3 times more sexual violence is perpetrated against girls in childhood than boys
700,000 - 2,000,000 women and girls are trafficked across the world for sex every year
7-40% of women report that their first sexual experience was forced (rape)
Of female sex workers in the Uk 50% working outdoors and 26% working indoors have been subject to violence
81% of women sex workers in the UK have been beaten, choked, raped, threatened with a weapon, slashed, or stabbed
estimates show that’s hundred of thousands of women are systematically raped during warfare including rape as a tactic for ethnic cleansing through impregnation
60-100 million women are missing from the global population due to sex-selective abortion, female infanticide and deliberate neglect of female newborn babies

sources;
Femicide census 2020 and CSEW 2017

Women and girls matter. I don’t for a second believe that transwomen do not commit sexual assault and rape against women, girls, and children. However MEN far outweigh the balance of predatory risk

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The actual stats in the UK and the same pattern is seen in Canada, is that of the trans women in prison, nearly 50% have committed sexual offences vs. 19% of the rest of the male population. If you overlay prison data with the latest census data on transgender prevalence (and let’s remember the census seems to have overstated transgender identity due to people with English as an additional language not understanding the question), then trans women are statistically much more dangerous than other males.

there is zero evidence this subset of males poses less risk, and some reason to think they are more dangerous than average.

SamW98 · 12/08/2023 21:48

So all @CalMeKate has done in response for a clarification of one of her falsehoods is googled then copied and pasted figures that don’t answer the question asked.

But still the agenda is being pushed 🤷‍♀️

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 21:49

HermioneWeasley · 12/08/2023 21:46

The actual stats in the UK and the same pattern is seen in Canada, is that of the trans women in prison, nearly 50% have committed sexual offences vs. 19% of the rest of the male population. If you overlay prison data with the latest census data on transgender prevalence (and let’s remember the census seems to have overstated transgender identity due to people with English as an additional language not understanding the question), then trans women are statistically much more dangerous than other males.

there is zero evidence this subset of males poses less risk, and some reason to think they are more dangerous than average.

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How she can post all those stats and still advocate for letting men into single sex female spaces beggers belief.

Beenhereforever1978 · 12/08/2023 21:54

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 21:05

In an ideal scenario I would much prefer it that children didn’t see any one else’s genitals at all, especially not adults genitals. Communal changing rooms wouldn’t exist, in an ideal world.

Take an example, your local cinema changes their toilets to unisex. People using these toilets are men, women’s, transmen, transwomen, non-binary people, gender fluid people, and people with XXY chromosome syndrome. How are you going to prepare your children for what behaviour is acceptable in those toilets? What terminology and language would you use to
discuss this?

So far we have had:

What if a lesbian is in the changing room?

What if the trans woman has fake boobs?

What if we can just police this on behaviour and intent?

What is gender anyway?

What if a hypotehtical cinema does something entirely unrelated to what's being discussed?

What if the law is actually different than it is?

I'm paraphrasing, please add to the list those I've forgotten.

How many What ifs? Are you going to go through before you understand that women shoving themselves down into a smaller and smaller space until a tiny minority of men are happy is regressive bollocks.

You're either the most hopelessly naïve person on this site or you're speaking in bad faith. But we will keep responding and feeding the craziness, because once I was a lurker on here and thought "oh it can't be all that bad" and I should just #bekind. Someone, somewhere is reading all of this and getting ready to find her or his voice.

You're doing a great job of helping them peak.

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 21:55

SamW98 · 12/08/2023 21:48

So all @CalMeKate has done in response for a clarification of one of her falsehoods is googled then copied and pasted figures that don’t answer the question asked.

But still the agenda is being pushed 🤷‍♀️

The only agenda I have is that children have open dialogue with their parents / care givers about transpeople and what safe boundaries look like.

You chose how you navigate that with your children because you know them best. I don’t have a script other than using the term strange behaviour instead of stranger danger.

Your children are interacting with transpeople and you can either inform your children and prepare them for this world, our society, in an effort to keep them as safe as possible.

You would have a conversation with your child about people with differing abilities so they were informed and aware (at least I would assume so). The principle is comparable.

Beenhereforever1978 · 12/08/2023 21:59

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 07:10

She most likely identifies as female and is therefore in the correct changing room. Yes the changing rooms are single sex but if you identify as female and have a penis then you are going to use the female changing room.

I work with child safeguarding and 93-95% of child are abused by someone they know. 1 in 9 girls (terrifyingly high) although I suspect higher as many don’t report.

The best way you can keep your child safe is by encouraging them to have strong boundaries, knowing the difference between “stranger danger” and “strange behaviour”.

If your daughters feel safer and more comfortable going in to the cubicle that is their choice and I would encourage them to continue to make choices THEY are comfortable with. They are both going to make many many decisions throughout their life and adapt their actions and behaviours so they feel safe (which is the reality of girlhood and womenhood).

All of our children are growing up in a world with transpeople and I would continue to have ongoing conversations and trans people in their orbit. Maybe start by correcting the language from tranniemannie to transwomen.

Also what do you want the outcome to be today when you go to the gym and speak to them? Do you want the transwomen banned from the female changing rooms? Do you want all people with penis’ to change in the male changing rooms? What if this was at school and a trans girl got ready in their school changing rooms? How would you approach this situation? I am
not asking you to challenge you I am just genuinely curious as to what you want the outcome to be.

Refusing to let your girls have Snapchat is fair more likely to keep them safe.

Good luck!

That's not your only agenda though is it.

Baldieheid · 12/08/2023 22:05

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 21:55

The only agenda I have is that children have open dialogue with their parents / care givers about transpeople and what safe boundaries look like.

You chose how you navigate that with your children because you know them best. I don’t have a script other than using the term strange behaviour instead of stranger danger.

Your children are interacting with transpeople and you can either inform your children and prepare them for this world, our society, in an effort to keep them as safe as possible.

You would have a conversation with your child about people with differing abilities so they were informed and aware (at least I would assume so). The principle is comparable.

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So we need to discuss transpeople and boundaries with our children.

Transpeople. And boundaries. With children....

Boundaries. Transpeople. Children.

Hmmmmmmm.

BreatheAndFocus · 12/08/2023 22:06

Take an example, your local cinema changes their toilets to unisex. People using these toilets are men, women’s, transmen, transwomen, non-binary people, gender fluid people, and people with XXY chromosome syndrome. How are you going to prepare your children for what behaviour is acceptable in those toilets? What terminology and language would you use to
discuss this?

That’s utterly irrelevant! Yes, children should be taught boundaries and to identify unacceptable behaviour, but what’s that got to do with single sex spaces? Bugger all, frankly. Female spaces are female spaces, they’re not open to men who promise to behave nicely.

Helleofabore · 12/08/2023 22:07

"I don’t for a second believe that transwomen do not commit sexual assault and rape against women, girls, and children. However MEN far outweigh the balance of predatory risk"

To be clear.

With this statement, are we to understand that you have just stated that males who are trans and in ANY stage of transition are NOT the same predatory risk as ALL male people in the UK population?

Or have you just attempted to distract from the question with some kind of sparple effort?

MavisMcMinty · 12/08/2023 22:09

No real person could take the humiliation heaped upon @CalMeKate today and keep coming back for more. Come on Kate, you’re on a massive wind-up here, aren't you? Unfortunately it’s yourself you’re making a fool of, not us.

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 22:10

WOMEN/FEMALE/XX ONLY SPACES MEAN NO MEN/MALE/XY AT ALL NOT EVEN THE ONES WHO REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT TO BE IN THERE.

BelfastDadof3 · 2023-08-12T02:25:06+00:00

I'll start first and say I'm sorry for intruding on a safe space for women. Am a single dad (widow but not recent) with three kids 2 girls 11 +13 and a 9yr old boy. Also I'd say kids are bright and confident, very excepting as I've tried to bring them up to accept all body shapes and not point / shame. I go to the gym three times a week, do my workout and the kids have a supervised kids swim lesson (just the three of them) and I meet them after for a swim and play. There isn't family changing, but I don't think it's applicable as my girls are old enough. So having a muffin after the swim my 9yr old boy asked me. "dad, why do most of the men walk about naked in the changing room?Willie's out. Is it not normal to have a towel around you untill you get your pants on." So I said some people were just very free, but I think it's a bit over the top. Bit of a discussion about respecting others space etc and then my boy said" it's also odd that some shave all their body hair off, even the old fat men, it's weird looking" Normal ish conversation. Then he asked the girls what happens in the changing rooms. They were a bit horrified and said that most women and girls had big towels and kept private. Because - their words " girls arnt horrible like boys" Then the eldest daughter said "a room full of men drying their bits would be duscusting. When the [transwoman - edited by MNHQ] is in the changing room we use the disabled cubicle. There's lots of room and we don't have to see him dry his bits. And (jokingly) his man bum and huge boobs do not look nice." So really I don't know how to approach this. I presumed that if a man transfered to a trans woman he would have female genitals. Maybe I'm niave. It's a really nice gym and pool - Bannatynes - a treat for the kids.. Is this the same everywhere? If I raise it with the manager am I being transphobic to suggest no penises in the female changing?

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 22:10

That was supposed to be bold not large! Never mind!

Baldieheid · 12/08/2023 22:12

I get a thrill at being bellowed at, Boiled. Do it again!

Beenhereforever1978 · 12/08/2023 22:13

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 22:10

That was supposed to be bold not large! Never mind!

This is how I read it.

Excellent work. 😄

MavisMcMinty · 12/08/2023 22:13

Maybe poor Kate will find it easier to understand if we post short but massive messages in bold?

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 22:13

I ❤ Baldieheid

EnfysPreseli · 12/08/2023 22:16

CalMeKate · 12/08/2023 07:10

She most likely identifies as female and is therefore in the correct changing room. Yes the changing rooms are single sex but if you identify as female and have a penis then you are going to use the female changing room.

I work with child safeguarding and 93-95% of child are abused by someone they know. 1 in 9 girls (terrifyingly high) although I suspect higher as many don’t report.

The best way you can keep your child safe is by encouraging them to have strong boundaries, knowing the difference between “stranger danger” and “strange behaviour”.

If your daughters feel safer and more comfortable going in to the cubicle that is their choice and I would encourage them to continue to make choices THEY are comfortable with. They are both going to make many many decisions throughout their life and adapt their actions and behaviours so they feel safe (which is the reality of girlhood and womenhood).

All of our children are growing up in a world with transpeople and I would continue to have ongoing conversations and trans people in their orbit. Maybe start by correcting the language from tranniemannie to transwomen.

Also what do you want the outcome to be today when you go to the gym and speak to them? Do you want the transwomen banned from the female changing rooms? Do you want all people with penis’ to change in the male changing rooms? What if this was at school and a trans girl got ready in their school changing rooms? How would you approach this situation? I am
not asking you to challenge you I am just genuinely curious as to what you want the outcome to be.

Refusing to let your girls have Snapchat is fair more likely to keep them safe.

Good luck!

I've worked on child abuse inquiries, for key children's charities and in safeguarding. Your post is a disgrace @CalMeKate. I'm appalled that this kind of complacency and a belief that there are sacred castes is so unquestioningly accepted by someone claiming to work in this field. Utting, Waterhouse, Laming etc may as well not have happened. You trot out nonsense advice like an automaton. I'd say 'give your head a wobble', but it wouldn't be anywhere near enough. If whatever organisation or body you're working for is promulgating this approach they are an utter, utter disgrace.

Baldieheid · 12/08/2023 22:18

Boiledbeetle · 12/08/2023 22:13

I ❤ Baldieheid

Ooooooohhhhhh

Now you're talking!

Baldieheid · 12/08/2023 22:20

Yeah, I think the safeguarding expertise is as real as a certain former weatherman's "cervix".

SabrinaThwaite · 12/08/2023 22:20

The only agenda I have is that children have open dialogue with their parents / care givers about transpeople and what safe boundaries look like.

Your agenda is all about telling female children that they need to get used to accepting males in the spaces that should be reserved solely for females to ensure their safety, privacy and dignity because … reasons.

ILikeDungs · 12/08/2023 22:21

If you truly are interested in protecting children you can’t just deny that transpeople exist.

I need a definition of "transpeople" and "exist". I have stopped using the T word because it is so confusing (not a bug) to many people. I say "men who say they are women". Not "men who think they are women" because that does not cover the men who are pretending to be women to go where they like; they don't think they are women but they want others to think they do (yes, confusing, not a bug). If I say "men who SAY they are women I cover both the men in gender distress and denying their true sex, and the men who are chancers, men wanting to take advantage, whatever.

Men who say they are women are out there. Is that what is meant by "exist"? To me "exist" is language manipulation that creates an attempt at an atmosphere of denial of humanity, dare I say genocide, of the men who say they are women. I DO think that men who say they are women exist (clearly) and like many women I wish them joy, as long as they use the appropriate facilities. The Men's. Even the men in genuine distress over their true sex. Other men who are not in distress will welcome them in men's facilities if they have any humanity in them.

That is how we protect children.

Gym /. Swimming changing issue

WOMEN/FEMALE/XX ONLY SPACES MEAN NO MEN/MALE/XY AT ALL NOT EVEN THE ONES WHO REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT TO BE IN THERE.

I ❤ Baldieheid

I ❤ Baldieheid