Gym /. Swimming changing issue

[BelfastDadof3]

I'll start first and say I'm sorry for intruding on a safe space for women.
Am a single dad (widow but not recent) with three kids 2 girls 11 +13 and a 9yr old boy.

Also I'd say kids are bright and confident, very excepting as I've tried to bring them up to accept all body shapes and not point / shame.

I go to the gym three times a week, do my workout and the kids have a supervised kids swim lesson (just the three of them) and I meet them after for a swim and play.

There isn't family changing, but I don't think it's applicable as my girls are old enough.

So having a muffin after the swim my 9yr old boy asked me.
"dad, why do most of the men walk about naked in the changing room?Willie's out. Is it not normal to have a towel around you untill you get your pants on."

So I said some people were just very free, but I think it's a bit over the top. Bit of a discussion about respecting others space etc and then my boy said" it's also odd that some shave all their body hair off, even the old fat men, it's weird looking"

Normal ish conversation.

Then he asked the girls what happens in the changing rooms. They were a bit horrified and said that most women and girls had big towels and kept private. Because - their words " girls arnt horrible like boys"

Then the eldest daughter said "a room full of men drying their bits would be duscusting. When the [transwoman - edited by MNHQ] is in the changing room we use the disabled cubicle. There's lots of room and we don't have to see him dry his bits. And (jokingly) his man bum and huge boobs do not look nice."

So really I don't know how to approach this.
I presumed that if a man transfered to a trans woman he would have female genitals. Maybe I'm niave.

It's a really nice gym and pool - Bannatynes - a treat for the kids..
Is this the same everywhere?
If I raise it with the manager am I being transphobic to suggest no penises in the female changing?

Ugh. I knew that would be the IW tweet. Luckily i can say on Twitter what i can't say on here

Like it or not transwomen have rights to use single sex spaces including changing rooms, toilets, waiting rooms etc. We have to educate our children about transpeople

No, they really don’t! You’ve been gaslit by Stonewall. The only single sex spaces they have the right to use are those for their biological sex.

And of course trans people exist 🙄 No-one is saying they don’t exist. They do exist. But they remain the sex they were born as. My children have been educated about trans people and, indeed, know one. They know to treat them with respect and empathy like anyone else. They also know that nobody can change sex and that to identify as isn’t to be.

Not wanting a male person in a female changing room is nothing to do with them being trans or thinking they don’t exist, it’s to do with them being male.

I believe @CalMeKate is showing male privilege in the posts today,

To really protect our children and keep them safe we need to have continuous open conversations with our children about transpeople.

You are suggesting that we need to specifically discuss transpeople in order to keep our children safe?

Sounds a bit transphobic to me 🤔

This is what happens when you are a "trans ally".

You join a thread started by a distressed dad whose daughters have been hiding in a disabled cubicle when they have to get naked at swimming to avoid a naked man whose penis they have seen, and LECTURE the dad about making sure his young daughters GET USED TO IT.

Shameful.

Apparently talking to your children about trans people and telling them the trans people get to expose genitals they are not used to to them, keeps the trans people visible.
But if you talk to children about transpeople and tell them they can ask not to see genitals they are not used to, the trans people spontaneously disappear... and globally as well...
Fascinating.

And she's teaching her daughter that the naked man with the penis in front of her daughter is OK if the naked man with the penis says it's OK little girl I'm not a creepy pervert I've got womanly feels in my head. But if the naked man with the penis in front of her daughter doesnt say the 4 magic words "I am a woman" then and only then can her daughter be scared.I

Fuck that shit

Please point out the posts that these male people ‘do not exist’?

We know they exist! So fucking what!

It doesn’t mean that they have automatic rights to access female single sex spaces. I saw you post very confidently about the EA and you are fucking wrong. There are exceptions available and changing rooms is one of those.

You keep posting falsehoods. I have no idea why you believe you are informed. You seem to be so fucking misinformed that you are dangerous to be allowed around children in a safeguarding capacity.

They can identify as green cheese for all I care, but they will still be either male or female.

For a start men don’t have right to enter women’s changing rooms. And anything in the Equality Act does not trump the law on indecent exposure - which is what this is. Children have a right to be protected.

Oh, it gets better and better.

Just to make it very clear I am not advocating men flashing women/teenagers/children their genitals in any form. A man pretending to be a transwomen to gain access to women, girls, and children is a predator and should be treated as such. Reported for criminal behaviour to the police.

How the hell do women know the difference between a transwoman, and a man pretending to be a transwoman?

Trans people do exist, even when they use sex appropriate facilities.
No-one implodes on contact with facilities for their biological sex, or on thinking they should campaign for own facilities if the need is great.

This «denying my existence» claptrap is really very toddler-on-a-rampage, and silly.

What I don’t believe, is that you can change your biological sex. Hasn’t happened yet. Probably will never happen, unless we devolve to fish or other assorted seafood.

Until that time, women use the women’s facilities, men use the men’s, leave the disabled facilities alone please because they are very much needed by a wide variety of disabled people, and for the love of god: campaign for mixed sex facilities IN ADDITION.

I think that this poster has started to have an inkling that they have said some fucking dangerous things on this board. And that they have been trying to twist their early posts, they started doing that about post number 5 or 6 I think. But those first few posts still stand are show all the fucked up arguments in their glory!!!

“We are living in a world where genitals does not reflect on identified sex. Women have penis’ and men have vulvas and vaginas”

It's the Laurie Penny school of safeguarding.

Sorry, I didn't mean to put that link there.

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/1409790944635883523?s=20

Laurie Penny's tweet is still up.

Quote from the WiSpa article

This affair has exposed the confusions, dishonesty and moral contortionism of identity politics and of the transgender ideology in particular.

Sums up @CalMeKate too.

In an ideal scenario I would much prefer it that children didn’t see any one else’s genitals at all, especially not adults genitals. Communal changing rooms wouldn’t exist, in an ideal world.

Take an example, your local cinema changes their toilets to unisex. People using these toilets are men, women’s, transmen, transwomen, non-binary people, gender fluid people, and people with XXY chromosome syndrome. How are you going to prepare your children for what behaviour is acceptable in those toilets? What terminology and language would you use to
discuss this?

Statistically men are far more dangerous to women and girls that transwomen are.

Did we get any stats on this?

I have asked repeatedly now for the evidence that males with a trans identity in any stage of ‘transition’ are less likely to commit sex crimes than the male population. Have I miss the evidence?

Because @CalMeKate keeps making false claims. Maybe the stats are brand new and none of us have seen them. Or maybe Kate is flat out lying based on their own assumptions that certainly do not represent the truth in any form in the UK.

It is these bald faced lies being spread on this thread by Kate that is very dangerous indeed.

My point is you don’t know and your children don’t know. Which is why I suggest having conversations with children about what behaviour is acceptable and what behaviour is not.

Hey people…. Kate has now pivoted to include people with Differences in sex development. What a fucking surprise!

Yes! Exactly. All types of people

Transwomen are men @CalMeKate so TW are just as dangerous to women are men

Bingo!

Ok!!! Here’s the thing!

Any male with their cock out in a female single sex space is NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR!