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Yet more police idiocy.

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Imnobody4 · 09/08/2023 21:00

https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1689341024290607106?t=PlSPnePhEVLMVBfRD89aRA&s=19

This shows the arrest of a teenage autistic girl by about 5 police officers. From what I can make out it is for a 'hate' crime. She apparently said a police officer was a Lesbian. Her Nan is a lesbian - that police officer is like my Nan.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of these officers.

https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1689341024290607106?s=19&t=PlSPnePhEVLMVBfRD89aRA

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NotBadConsidering · 10/08/2023 11:04

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 10:59

NotBadConsidering
Out in public - it would be s5 POA (as above)

But if the person it was aimed at is black - is it a racially aggravated crime?

In essence - is referring to someone as 'black' when they are black, racially motivated?

How is calling someone a lesbian a crime?

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:04

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/08/2023 10:59

Wtf

Last time I needed the police i couldn't get past the call handler. And here we have all those officers to arrest an autistic teenager because of a comment.

And the police wonder why they no longer have the respect and cooperation of the public

You will probably find that she called for assistance.

So those other cops have had to divert from what ever incident they were dealing with to assist her. They wouldn't have been told the ins and outs of job if an assistance shout was called - they just attended.

Out of the six - they should have collectively decided that an arrest was not necessary and an alternative disposal could have been considered. And not physically drag her into custody.

That's what i would have done - but i wasn't there.

Iranoutofmonikers · 10/08/2023 11:05

It isn't just WYP, it is the MET, the City of London, the Scottish police, the Northern Ireland police, the Welsh police. That is just off the top of my head.

I haven't heard anything bad about the Northumbria police. (They were quite helpful to me when my car was stolen off the drive 30 years ago). But I could be wrong there.

Soubriquet · 10/08/2023 11:05

Calling someone a lesbian isn’t a crime. Yet this woman deemed it a hate crime which is why she went through with the arrest

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:08

NotBadConsidering
How is calling someone a lesbian a crime?

She might not be a lesbian and is sick of comments made to her along those lines. She may feel insulted by it. If its in the public (ie outside) it will fall into s5

If I am called 'baldy' for example - would I be justified in finding it insulting?

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:10

Soubriquet
It depends - if I repeatedly call you a lesbian every time I see you - will that be a crime? Harassment, yes - but does it also fall into a s5

Datun · 10/08/2023 11:15

Soubriquet · 10/08/2023 11:05

Calling someone a lesbian isn’t a crime. Yet this woman deemed it a hate crime which is why she went through with the arrest

The hate would appear to be in thinking that being called a lesbian is such a heinous insult you have to arrest the person saying it.

Soubriquet · 10/08/2023 11:17

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:10

Soubriquet
It depends - if I repeatedly call you a lesbian every time I see you - will that be a crime? Harassment, yes - but does it also fall into a s5

I really wouldn’t care tbh as I’m bisexual and in a polyamourous relationship.

Even if it did bother me, it’s not like the police would do anything. As they rightly shouldn’t. She’s abusing her power

Moonberri · 10/08/2023 11:20

You can't have a hate crime without a crime. What is the criminal offence here? Saying that someone looks like my Nan, who is a lesbian, is not a criminal offence.

Mousehoel · 10/08/2023 11:21

Maybe the police officer has been misgendered, by being called a lesbian. Which would make it a Far Greater Crime.

Datun · 10/08/2023 11:22

You'd have thought the police would be trained in how to deal with autistic teens in meltdown.

Datun · 10/08/2023 11:23

Iranoutofmonikers · 10/08/2023 09:54

The way they were dragging and pulling on her arm was dreadful to watch. A friend's daughter has scoliosis and being pulled around like that would cause severe pain. I would consider that to be assault of a vulnerable/disabled person.
I hope the child's mother brings charges.
I was brought up to respect the police, but honestly, after decades of worsening behaviour witnessed and experienced by friends and family, I wouldn't trust any of them. Not just WY police, but every single force. They are all as bad as each other.
Thank God they are not routinely armed in this country.

Thank God they are not routinely armed in this country.

Jesus, I hadn't considered that.

Can you imagine???

NotBadConsidering · 10/08/2023 11:23

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:08

NotBadConsidering
How is calling someone a lesbian a crime?

She might not be a lesbian and is sick of comments made to her along those lines. She may feel insulted by it. If its in the public (ie outside) it will fall into s5

If I am called 'baldy' for example - would I be justified in finding it insulting?

Are you bald? What if someone just called you bald? “Felix is bald like my grandfather.” If other people call you “baldy” but someone says this, are you going to take it out on this person rather those that called you “baldy”?

How is someone getting sick of comments made about their appearance a crime? Your essentially saying that this girl is paying the price for what other people have done. Is Mhairi Black guilty of a s5 by calling people concerned about single sex spaces “50 year old Karens”?

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:23

Moonberri
It will probably be s5 POA

If someone finds the remark insulting, then it will fall into this category.
So in this case - she finds being called a lesbian, insulting.

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest being called similar comments. But if she is insulted by it - then it doesn't make it right.

Moonberri · 10/08/2023 11:27

Section 5 says "threatening or abusive words or acts". How is saying that someone looks like your Nan who is a lesbian threatening or abusive? It isn't.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/08/2023 11:27

Datun · 10/08/2023 11:22

You'd have thought the police would be trained in how to deal with autistic teens in meltdown.

i expect they’ve used up all their training resources on LGBTQI+++ & didn’t bother having training on how to work with people with autism

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:28

NotBadConsidering
Like I say - it doesn't bother me in the slightest being called bald and i wouldn't look to arrest anyone.
And I would have simply ignored the comment or make a joke out of it.

But if someone is effected by it?

Police should have a higher tolerance for such things however.

Soubriquet · 10/08/2023 11:28

I’m waiting for the release statement of “this police officer identifies as male and found being called a lesbian which is a female trait, extremely triggering and therefore deemed a hate crime”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 11:29

i expect they’ve used up all their training resources on LGBTQI+++ & didn’t bother having training on how to work with people with autism

I expect there are people who think you are joking. But you're probably right on the money.

Moonberri · 10/08/2023 11:31

If I said to my friend "you look fat in that dress" and she was offended, that still isn't a criminal offence under section 5.

The police have to apply proportionality. My concern is that they abused their powers to arrest this girl and then release her without charge as a way of punishing/threatening her, knowing full well that she had not committed a crime and would never be prosecuted.

Felix, I don't know who you are but you are apparently infamous on threads about police. Do you fully support the police's actions here?

NotBadConsidering · 10/08/2023 11:31

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:28

NotBadConsidering
Like I say - it doesn't bother me in the slightest being called bald and i wouldn't look to arrest anyone.
And I would have simply ignored the comment or make a joke out of it.

But if someone is effected by it?

Police should have a higher tolerance for such things however.

But if someone is effected by it?

Affected. So if someone is affected by it cumulatively, it’s ok? You seem to be saying it’s ok to snap at the last person who says something you don’t like if enough people have done it before. Do you think this officer snapped?

Is Mhairi Black’s behaviour fitting of an s5?

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 11:32

Moonberri
Section 5 says "threatening or abusive words or acts". How is saying that someone looks like your Nan who is a lesbian threatening or abusive? It isn't.

I agree with you - but in this incident I believe the comment will fall into the 'abusive words' section.

Moonberri · 10/08/2023 11:32

Soubriquet · 10/08/2023 11:28

I’m waiting for the release statement of “this police officer identifies as male and found being called a lesbian which is a female trait, extremely triggering and therefore deemed a hate crime”

Ooh no they wouldn't say that as that suggests only females can be lesbians. Didn't you know that a straight man who has a womanly feeling in his head is actually really a lesbian?

Mousehoel · 10/08/2023 11:33

she finds being called a lesbian, insulting.

If this is the case it sounds like she needs some training for her homophobia.

JanesLittleGirl · 10/08/2023 11:33

Felix
You have been all over this thread doing exactly what you criticise other for doing: speculation without evidence.

There was no need for an arrest, voluntary interview or any other resolution under the RJ.

The only thing that was needed was for the officer to act like a grown-up and completely ignore the remark.