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Yet more police idiocy.

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Imnobody4 · 09/08/2023 21:00

https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1689341024290607106?t=PlSPnePhEVLMVBfRD89aRA&s=19

This shows the arrest of a teenage autistic girl by about 5 police officers. From what I can make out it is for a 'hate' crime. She apparently said a police officer was a Lesbian. Her Nan is a lesbian - that police officer is like my Nan.

I cannot comprehend the mindset of these officers.

https://twitter.com/moveincircles/status/1689341024290607106?s=19&t=PlSPnePhEVLMVBfRD89aRA

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WickedSerious · 10/08/2023 10:15

Fuck 'retraining',sack the lot of them.

FemaleAndLearning · 10/08/2023 10:16

Hate crimes against police account for over half of dll prosecutions! This is old from 2021.North Yorkshire 53%!
https://archive.ph/iUume

Children autistic meltdown will often fall to the floor or put themselves to the floor as they are so overwhelmed their bodies cannot function. She will find it hard to speak, hear and process anything that is bring said. Once in a meltdown you have to ensure your child is safe then let it run its course without intervention. When you intervene it prolongs the meltdown and can escalate it.

If the cupboard was her safe space and that male officer had entered it, that would ruin her safe space and would have been very threatening. You can't talk a child down from a meltdown.

Dumbo12 · 10/08/2023 10:17

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False equivalence, the statement would have to be "that person is black" at no time was it stated that the child swore, or used any profanity, or pejorative term. Her comment was not even made to the police, but to her mother.

RoyalCorgi · 10/08/2023 10:22

It's horrific. I've been reading about how lots of small supermarkets are now being targeted by criminal gangs of shoplifters - and the police won't do anything. They just won't come out, they're not interested, in the same way that they don't come out to house burglaries. But they will arrested a highly vulnerable child for saying that one of their officers looks like a lesbian.

And of course it's West Yorkshire Police. Of course it is. Hating women is their USP.

BCCoach · 10/08/2023 10:25

NecessaryScene · 09/08/2023 21:49

This is the logical end consequence of all "identity"-based "hate" legislation or HR rules.

Once you have an approved "identity", anyone referring to it in any way can be accused of "hate"; and you can wield it yourself as justification for anything you want to do - anyone suggesting that your "identity" doesn't give you a pass can be accused of "hate" for that suggestion.

If two people in a situation have "identities" then there's a sort of hierarchical caste system - some identities clearly trump others. Those without "identities" are the lowest caste.

In this case "lesbian" clearly beats "autistic", but it would lose hard to "trans".

Nah, it's the logical consequence of a police force made up of thugs, egged on by a thug of a home secretary.

Brefugee · 10/08/2023 10:32

As so often the police go for the "low hanging fruit" and yet again out themselves as the fascist pigs they are.

Don't come at me - it is up for all police to show us they aren't like this

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 10:32

OvaHere · 10/08/2023 10:15

Clearly the word bastard is meant to be an insult so yes.

I don't see where you're going with this because an autistic teen saying 'you look like a lesbian like my Nan' is nothing like that.

The point is - the word 'b*tard' is the insult.

But does adding the word 'black' make it a racist insult?

ColdMeg · 10/08/2023 10:35

WYP are one of the worst police forces in the country. They are on a par with the Met. Why this came to be, it's difficult to say. Some people says it is the pool of candidates they recruit from, but there's definitely something seriously wrong with the culture.

What is interesting is that South Yorkshire Police are now very different, yet both regions are similar in that they are post-industrial Northern regions. One reason given to me about why SYP are so much better was that the whole "People's Republic of South Yorkshire" concept sunk into the bones of the young people who are now local police officers so they have a far more communitarian approach, and the outrage and consequences of policing the miners' strikes in the 80s (Orgreave etc) has meant there is a legacy of shame that acts as a bulwark to prevent undue force or unreasonable approaches being employed.

Another reason I've been given is Teresa May. Apparently, so I am told, she "loathed the Police" and cut numbers significantly (I've not checked this assertion). What happens when you cut police numbers is you tend to rid a force of experienced officers that hold the internal culture in place. What happens then, when you inevitably realise you need more officers, is that you subsequently recruit into quite a weak institution where new incomers with very different ideas can shift a culture dramatically purely by force of numbers. If you then recruit the wrong people, you've a serious issue on your hands.

But I think we've got to the point where there needs to be some kind of investigation of both the Met and WYP because they are quite obviously corrupted institutions.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 10:36

I think this is the only police thread on FWR that felix hasnt stuck his oar in. And just to banish any shred of doubt, your contribution would be so fucking inappropriate on this thread.

@GrabbyGabby did you really think he wouldn't?

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 10:37

Ereshkigalangcleg
It being a public forum.....

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/08/2023 10:40

What amazes me is that they must have known they were being filmed and they still behaved that way. What on earth must they be like when they're confident there are no cameras?

WhiteFire · 10/08/2023 10:43

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 09:59

Why was she suddenly on the floor outside? Was she forced to the ground by officers, or did she go to the floor for other reasons (trip, fall, stumble)

What should the police do though if a person with disabilities refuses to move when they are under arrest?

Well you certainly don't start dragging them around like that?

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 10/08/2023 10:44

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 10:32

The point is - the word 'b*tard' is the insult.

But does adding the word 'black' make it a racist insult?

So where's the insult in what the girl said? What would the charge be for the crime this girl committed?
Is the girl saying someone looks like her nan who is a lesbian an insult and/or a crime?
If she said 'That officer is black like Uncle Dave is black' there's no crime there, so what's different about what this girl said?

RoyalCorgi · 10/08/2023 10:45

Another reason I've been given is Teresa May. Apparently, so I am told, she "loathed the Police" and cut numbers significantly (I've not checked this assertion). What happens when you cut police numbers is you tend to rid a force of experienced officers that hold the internal culture in place. What happens then, when you inevitably realise you need more officers, is that you subsequently recruit into quite a weak institution where new incomers with very different ideas can shift a culture dramatically purely by force of numbers. If you then recruit the wrong people, you've a serious issue on your hands.

The time when Teresa May, as home secretary, addressed the Police Federation conference shows that she was very ready for a confrontation. She did not make herself popular. Worth looking up if it's on YouTube.

What you say about the cuts to police numbers is absolutely right - you have a lot of young inexperienced officers now, and far fewer older, experienced ones. But it's hard to say why this seems to have affected the Met and West Yorkshire forces more.

Soubriquet · 10/08/2023 10:47

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 10/08/2023 10:44

So where's the insult in what the girl said? What would the charge be for the crime this girl committed?
Is the girl saying someone looks like her nan who is a lesbian an insult and/or a crime?
If she said 'That officer is black like Uncle Dave is black' there's no crime there, so what's different about what this girl said?

That’s essentially what happened

Or at least what I’ve read.

They were returning her home after a runaway situation. As the police were leaving, the girl said that the female officer looked like a lesbian just like Nan. As that was said, the officer stormed back in furious and called for backup where they went to arrest her.

Now I don’t know if that’s true. Or if any of it’s true but I completely disagree with the way it was handled

Dumbo12 · 10/08/2023 10:47

There is a definite arrogance still very largely at play with WYP. I recently had an interaction with a young woman, about a civil matter, when it was obvious that I was not just going to back down, I was informed that she was a police officer. This was an obvious attempt to intimidate, I'm in my 60s and retired from a profession where contact with the police was not uncommon. I think she realised that she had made a mistake, however it was her go to move, which says a lot about the mind set.

BCCoach · 10/08/2023 10:52

@ColdMeg this is very pertinent - SYP has two huge black marks against their name: the miners strike and Hillsborough. It seems that the culture has changed, possibly as you say due to voluntary redundancies/non-replacement of older officers under successive Conservative governments' very successful initiatives to defund the police.

WYP has not and will not learn: Yorkshire ripper, Chapeltown, Bradford riots, Huddersfield grooming gangs. They don't give a shit about women or vulnerable adults and children, and are institutionally racist to the core.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/08/2023 10:54

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I thought you were supposed to be the authority on that.

NotBadConsidering · 10/08/2023 10:56

If someone calls someone a black bastard what crime is being committed? If someone called some a lesbian what crime is being committed?

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 10:56

ItsFunToBeAVampire
I agree with you - there isn't an insult as such. And I get called much worse at work and on here, but i wouldn't escalate this to an arrest despite it being wrong.

I suggest the offence she was arrested for would be a s5 Public Order Act - threatening, abusive or insulting words/behaviour causing harassment, alarm, distress.

I'm just trying to suggest if there is a line to be dawn at some point with such a comment. And when does it become a hate crime.

So is 'black Btard' and hate crime.
If the 'b
tard' part is the cirme - does the 'black' part make it a hate crime?

So in this case - is referring to someone as 'a lesbian' a hate crime if that person takes objection to it?

I personally would suggest not - but is it a grey area?

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/08/2023 10:59

Wtf

Last time I needed the police i couldn't get past the call handler. And here we have all those officers to arrest an autistic teenager because of a comment.

And the police wonder why they no longer have the respect and cooperation of the public

Felix125 · 10/08/2023 10:59

NotBadConsidering
Out in public - it would be s5 POA (as above)

But if the person it was aimed at is black - is it a racially aggravated crime?

In essence - is referring to someone as 'black' when they are black, racially motivated?

BCCoach · 10/08/2023 11:02

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/08/2023 10:59

Wtf

Last time I needed the police i couldn't get past the call handler. And here we have all those officers to arrest an autistic teenager because of a comment.

And the police wonder why they no longer have the respect and cooperation of the public

She was a runaway being returned by police and had an autistic meltdown is my understanding.

Brefugee · 10/08/2023 11:02

I think only two officers were present originally before back up was called and the back up was requested because they wanted to arrest her for the lesbian Nan comment.

If 2 officers can't handle the arrest of a teenage girl they need different jobs.

Regardless of what went before, every one of those officers needs compulsory retraining.

Boomboom22 · 10/08/2023 11:03

I think the policewoman should be arrested for the hate crime of thinking lesbian is an insult.

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