Barbie

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I’m so sick of having to say “no I’m not seeing it”, “but you’re a feminist, you know it’s a feminist movie!” “I’m not that kind of feminist.” I don’t care about barbie and I don’t think it’s an appropriate medium for a feminist message, even ironically. I’m sure it’s a good movie, I’m sure it’s very feminist FOR a barbie movie. I have no interest in it. I’ve been called a bad feminist for not seeing a movie about a symbol of female oppression and body dysmorphia. I don’t care if “barbie can do anything she wants”, I’m a real woman in the real world and I can barely walk down the street safely. I don’t care if they have a slightly overweight barbie, a disabled barbie, a doctor/lawyer/farmer barbie, it’s not good enough. I have no desire to hear a feminist message from barbie’s mouth, nor defend my feminism against it.
I get that for some people it’s just a movie about a doll and they don’t care, that’s fine. But it means something actively negative to me. Can anyone either commiserate or help me to come around to the idea?

Yes, I’m glad Helen Mirren said something at that point, because I was certainly thinking Margot Robbie was not the best person to make the ‘not pretty’ (or whatever it was she said, ‘not exceptional’ maybe?) comment about!

I almost felt like that was the point. That even conventionally stunning girls can feel not that.

We loved that comment. 🤣

Incidentally, as a huge musicals fan I didnt like Melissa McCarthys casting as Ursula. Shes conventionally beautiful as well.

I know you object to it.
I don't care.
What I do care about (slightly) is being misquoted as saying that tw are not tw.

Tw are tw. Tw are men.

Ursula’s my favourite of all Disney characters, no one could play her and nail it, cartoon Ursula all the way.

Aw rise, look at us bonded by ursula.

I love her. Shes a queen. Imo ariel is the villain but thats another thread

Yeah that makes about as much sense as it did the first 94 times you said it.

I don't understand why no one seems to care that the OP "can barely walk down the street safely"!

Resisting the urge to point out Op is far more at risk from whoever lives in her house.

You don't understand that tw are also men?

It's not hard.
There are lots of types of men who are still men.
Men are anyone who is an adult human male.
Tw are adult human males aka men.

I disagreed with you before, I disagree with you now, and however many times you repeat your statement I will still think its transphobic. I hope that's clear.

Yes and I hope it's clear I don't care.

I'm not trying to persuade you I'm clarifying your misrepresentation/ misunderstanding of my point.

Another interesting thread ruined

In assuming you mean by me but is that the sole entirety of your contribution? You seem to just pop up on threads I'm on to do sad face comments and then disappear. I've yet to see you contribute anything. Is this still because I upset you months ago?

Please stop.

Yeh I'm as bored by this as everyone.
But if you misquote me again, I'll state my position again.

Your choice.

Itd be hard to misquote you as you've dominated the thread with the same posts.
I wont be misquoting you though as I will no longer be responding to any of your posts, transphobic or otherwise.

Goodo.

In assuming you mean by me but is that the sole entirety of your contribution? You seem to just pop up on threads I'm on to do sad face comments and then disappear. I've yet to see you contribute anything. Is this still because I upset you months ago?

I was reading the thread. I haven't seen the film yet but was enjoying the debate. And then it turned into the @WildUnchartedWaters hectoring show.

I don't know what your engagement is like in real life but online it feels like being shouted at by the drunken fighty bloke in the pub who won't shut up. It's not enjoyable to read.

And no, it's nothing to do with you upsetting me months ago. It's an observation.

It's just that you alwyas seem to pop up just to make these little statements but contribute nothing yourself.

By hectoring, can I clarify you mean bullying? As in persistent harassment?

You mean like a PP who I disagreed with several pages back who went on and on and on to the point i asked them to stop several times?

The rest of your post is just offensive and nonsense. I'm sorry if my calling out of transphobia has ruined your nice evening browsing mumsnet, contributing nothing but just popping up to 'hector' me once in a while.

It's really quite personal and unfair.

I have not harassed you I have clarified my point when you have misrepresented it, which I am quite entitled to do.

As you have worked out but seem unable to do: stop quoting me and I'll stop responding.

You have not asked me to stop several times. Only once. Another misrepresentation.

Stop talking about me and misrepresenting me and I'll have no need to respond.

It's very silly of you to think you can keep on referring to me and just ask me not to respond. Why would I agree to that?

I was talking to clymene to defend myself as I thought it was amusing she has accused me of bullying when you have once again proven you have gone on and on and on at me across pages.

No need for you to get involved as shes not referring to this interaction, she has a personal issue with me that she brings to every thread
Ironic she talks about threads being ruined when I think it's clear who's done that.

I don't care what you think.

You were talking about me again and misrepresenting (or I'm now inclined to presume lying) about our interaction. You didn't ask 'repeatedly'.

If you continue to say untrue things about me I might well respond.

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Just to point out that under the EA the comparator for a transwoman is another man. Not a woman. Transwomen have all the same rights to freedom from discrimination as other men have, and rightly so.

Yes I remember that too. It would be interesting to hear her explanation of the film