Starmer Radio 5 "A woman is an Adult female"

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Starmer says "a woman is an adult female, let's clear that one up."

Here the words of reality - 1.27:40 Radio 5
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001p101

Not so difficult was it now was it. So where is apology to Rosie, Tonia and everyone in Labour Women's Declaration?

Let them attend conference.

Also lets hear what Scottish and Welsh Labour think. Explain if they differ and why.

The fact we know he has always known what a woman was, but chose to change that definition to 'win votes' and appear cool makes it even worse that he has now changed his definition as if nothing happened. He has essentially bullshitted twice.

I dont think hes changed positions at all.

He's proud of the GRA that gives male adults female birth certificates. He thinks the EqA is fair which balances the rights of women and girls to have sse with the rights of men to use them too.

He's just changed the language he uses.

If he truly believed/cared/understood women and girls need for SSE, he would speak out about how the GRA and the EqA fails to deliver sse.

And this.

Labour once used to be a proud ally of LGBTQ people.

That is no longer true and it will be up to whoever replaces Keir Starmer to rebuild relationships with the LGBTQ community, because he can never be trusted on this, as so much else, ever again

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84

Owen Jones has denounced Starmer

My link does not work but you can imagine how cross is about this

Looks like nobody trusts Starmer

LOJ and look who's popped up in the G. Both still claiming Scotland's GRR as a success! With the same old obfuscations.

Does that mean he is not going to vote Labour?

Is he proposing to vote Green, or something?

The tweet has been deleted :(

Owen Jones has denounced Starmer

This could be the start of a revolution. God knows what guardian columnists can do if they put their mind to it.

The tweet has been deleted :(

The revolutionary will have a wait for another day.

This is great. They can be vicious

This.

Starmer has been redefining ‘woman’ to include transwomen for far too long for us to assume this means anything new. If he now means that he no longer uses the word ‘woman’ to include transwomen, then that is an absolutely huge reversal of his previous position on the hottest political issue of the next election.

If you’re the leader of the Opposition, and you do a complete u-turn on the hot issue of the day, then you have to be brave enough, and clear enough to say so, and say why. Anything else is weak and disrespectful to the electorate. Until he says that his view and policies have changed, I shall assume they haven’t.

So, I must assume that he’s currently trying to trick gender critical voters into voting for policies with which they strongly disagree. Unethical and unworthy of him.

Come on Starmer, you’re a QC! You should be better than this! Stop trying to be sneaky and just tell us what (if anything) you stand for! And it can’t just be whinge whinge I hate public schoolkids. Do you want there to be spaces for biological women from which transwomen are excluded, or not? Will you reverse the brainwashing and attacks on freedom of speech that are rife in schools civil service and the NHS, or not?

This is all SO frustrating. If Labour do a clear u-turn on their old trans policies then I’ll consider voting for them. If not then forget it.

Jones denouncing Starmer is something he does every week, though.

I would like someone to ask him if the Sheffield Mercure Hotel staff member did the right thing by offering Anne Coombes a key to the unisex changing facilities or whether Anne should feel rightfully indignant that this was done. Surely if Anne just wanted to get changed, a third "gender neutral" space is entirely appropriate and dignified for both Anne and the women in the women's changing rooms?

Anne could well find Anne becomes the Isla Bryson-style poster child of same sex spaces. It's very difficult for anyone to understand why a transwoman would insist that they needed access to a women's changing room, when faced with a workable alternative. By implication, the only possible answer is the unspoken world of GAP (rearrange the letters)...

Particularly as it now transpires that Anne has been walking around in the ladies' changing rooms at the British Swimming Championships this week as a volunteer official while 14-19 year old girls get changed. Why?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4855926-entitled-male-refused-access-to-female-changing-area-despite-wearing-skirt?page=1

Owen Jones is funny - he does make me laugh. He refers to Robin Moira White as she, and goes on to say what "a brilliant take down" of Starmer's supposed U-turn he's delivered. ( in the Guardian)

Owen isn't half as clever as he thinks he is. He doesn't even grasp the fundamentals. That he has fallen for Starmer's smoke and mirrors and all the social media chit chat that surrounds it is testament to that.

This isn't true, the government held a consultation on the GRA and stepped back from changing it based on the results.

The results said a medical GRA panel approval remained necessary. That's where the conservative government have held the line.

Labour are now proposing any medical practice can hand out a GRA, which means a quarter of a million adult human females who are male will be approved very soon after they are elected.

Ergo, his safe spaces will be safe because everyone has a lady ticket.

Whatever comes out of Starmer's mouth is written by a trans activist.

Robin Moira White using the strategic new phrase 'Trans folk'

"Why, trans people will ask, can they still not be trusted when they say who they are? And why do non-binary people not get a mention?" ( RMW)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/25/labour-courage-past-lgbtq-rights-trans-people

They really throw their toys out of the pram when they don't get the red carpet treatment they are used to. It really is all or nothing for TRA activists.

Because in the real world they are NOT who they say they are, and they cannot expect to control other people's inner lives, perceptions and realities.

Particularly when a very misogynist attempt to force this on women without consent has ended with the victims of Karen White and Isla Bryson among others, where believing a male person was what they said they were resulted in life changing harms and injuries.

This is male entitlement gone berserk.

I have no doubt that White will be along any moment now to scold and point out that those women don't matter, and that female people should just shut up, enable and do what they're told.

Hasn't worked so far. Is working less on about a weekly basis.

These sound bites don't mean anything, as usual no depth golf questioning.

Personal I think Starmer has always believed a woman is an adult female but what's important here is what he believes a transwoman is and if he understands and believes in sex vs gender and single sex spaces.

The moment NC said 'I don't understand' Starner floundered, I don't believe they've changed their position they just want to disassociate themselves from self id.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-labour-trans-adult-female/

Starmer isn't very popular right now

True but I think OK was announcing that he has sacked Starmer

Well he's 100 percent transphobic and 100 percent not to be trusted by women.

Wiggle your way out of that one!

Any bets on how long till he has to resign.