Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

[ACatCalledPushka]

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

What do you mean by neutral?

You don’t care about the girls or care more about the male

Not sure how someone can be neutral. It implies you are happy with the status quo - men in teen girls changing rooms

Why wasn’t that your first comment? Why were you more concerned about people implying this man is a fetishist, than about the teenage girls who are being forced to let him watch them undress?

you don’t have to answer that. It’s just something you might want to give some private consideration to. How did your priorities get so out of whack?

Children's sport will die if this continues - middle aged women and men keep it going through fees and volunteer time.

The only reason this is happening is because parents don't know. I do wonder if the clubs were informed. Possibly not. At my dds old swim club the safeguarding team were great. They'd be raging if they'd been duped into this massive a safeguarding breach.

@DarkDayforMN i thought it had already been said to death.

By neutral I mean I don’t have emotions on it or think about it too deeply

What relevance is that to his sex?

His delusions should not be other people’s problem

he needs to stay out of women’s spaces

Adult men going into changing rooms with teenage girls, or any other women for that matter, is so obviously dodgy. Apart from sex pests, and utterly naive people, who actually thinks this is a good idea?

And yet still here you are trying to police other peoples emotions on it when they have been thinking deeply on the subject.

Do you not empathise with the girls and their lack of power on this?

If you don’t have dds, what about when you were younger, if you are female

If you are male I can see why you’d be neutral. That’s the problem for women, men don’t get it.

I’m not policing anyone just suggesting some balance

oh man

whether he’s mentally ill or a predator or both, there’s still no reason for him to be in women’s spaces

I’m really struggling to understand your point @Annaishere

@StefanosHill i suppose I haven’t thought of it from a child’s perspective. Personally if I numbed into a non threatening male in women’s clothes in the bathroom I don’t think it would affect me very much. But when I was a little girl yes probably it would scare me

I’m not saying he should be in women’s spaces @BernardBlacksMolluscs just that him being trans and seeking it doesn’t necessarily indicate a fetish and that he could genuinely believe he’s a woman just like us in the wrong body.

I’m not policing anyone just suggesting some balance

Balance! The man who invades changing rooms full of teenage girls and the teenage girls who are upset about it both have good points. Let’s be Switzerland here.

Telling people their comments are unfair is policing their comments

And why on earth are you advocating for "balance" for a trans woman who had deliberately inserted themself into a situation where they are watching teenage girls get changed.

Are you also over on twitter telling trans people who put up comments around 'terfs' dying in grease fires, or threatening to punch womem who disagree with them to be more balanced?

Or is it only when men are impacted that you are calling for balance?

Everyone knows humans can’t change sex

if he genuinely believes he’s a woman then he’s seriously mentally ill

given the standard behaviour of middle aged male transitioners it’s far more likely that he’s acting out a sexual fantasy

If he thinks he’s a woman but in the wrong body then he accepts that he has a male body and therefore knows the female changing room is not for him, so the unisex changing area should have been acceptable.

Why does he need the women's changing rooms specifically if a unisex one is available?

I have seen this on tik tok so I know some men are aroused by dressing as women but I’m sure there are a lot of cases of true dysphoria. There’s a book by a psychiatrist about a man that thought he was a lamp or something

How can you tell by looking if a man is unthreatening?

Ok so adults need to think of girls first. Not adult males.

How can you tell by looking if a man is unthreatening?

I was also rather curious about this. I’m not sure what signals of “unthreatening” pp is seeing in Anne’s appearance. I’m afraid I didn’t pick up on them.

Just you get a sense about these things as they happen don’t you

How many cases of child death have we seen where abusive parents are given the "benefit of the doubt". Why should we wait until the damage has been done before we act? Why risk girls lives being blighted by trauma after the fact. Keep men out of women's spaces. Prevention is better than cure.

I might be wrong but he was given a key to the room. That makes me think it’s single occupancy. And Anne is annoyed at the receptionist giving her the “wrong” key instead of affirming the gender identity