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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

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ACatCalledPushka · 23/07/2023 22:00

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/07/2023 07:49

Just so I’m clear this man is being allowed to wander into the female changing rooms at the British swimming championships where girls under 16 are changing? Maybe this needs a new thread because we know journalists watch FWR

Treaclemine · 26/07/2023 08:03

So this person, who indulges in behaviour which they must know many people would find exceedingly wrong, has outed himself publicly in order to "punish" a woman who dared to stop him in one location. Enabling parents to object to their children being exposed to his gaze.

StefanosHill · 26/07/2023 08:04

chinook · 25/07/2023 23:01

I am in Sheffield this week for the British Summer Swimming Champs as my DD is competing. She said this person was in the female changing room yesterday, along with other female officials. These are open changing rooms where young girls, mainly aged 14 to 19 are trying to change in and out of compression race suits.
How any adult can think it’s appropriate to be in this environment beggars belief.
Does anyone know who to approach to make sure this stops? It seems a few swimmer parents are on this thread.

This is awful. I’m not sure what you can do. If no options, contact press?

Maybe do another thread and it could get picked up

oldwomanwhoruns · 26/07/2023 08:05

Voyeurism is a criminal offense, isn't it?
Shouldn't the police be involved?

DreamItDoIt · 26/07/2023 08:21

This is an excellent opportunity to show the uk what is actually happening because it never happens does it?

I would be logging an official complaint to the organisers, my swim club, swim England and telling the press. I would be telling all other parents. Most if all I would be telling my daughter that she doesn't have to use the changing rooms.

This is an absolute disgrace and a massive safeguarding issue.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 26/07/2023 08:34

It’s why organisations have to say (and believe) ‘trans women are women’

because otherwise you’re letting a man watch girls getting changed and that doesn’t sound right does it?

so instead you pretend that people objecting are bigots who need to get with the times

because saying no to raging narcissists is really hard. Those people can get nasty. You might find yourself at a tribunal

much easier to give girls the choice of missing out on the sport they love or getting naked in front of a strange (in more ways than one) man

after all they’re just kids, what can they do?

NicCageisnotNickCave · 26/07/2023 08:41

If you want to contact the press, @chinook here is the Twitter profile for the journo who wrote the previous Mail Online piece about Anne.

He doesn’t have a large following so you should be able to get his attention:

https://twitter.com/arthurparashar

Otherwise try Julia HB on Talk or how about Kellie Jay? How long is left of the competition? Maybe we could get a tervern protest organised short notice?

DreamItDoIt · 26/07/2023 08:59

What can they do?

Every parent can refuse to let their Dd change in front of a man. If enough people
Safety in numbers.

Every girl there is being made to accept a man watching them change. It is being drummed into them that when a man says they are a woman they have to accept the

DreamItDoIt · 26/07/2023 09:03

They have to accept they are.

Parents have the power to stop this - why aren't they? Why aren't they protecting their children and raising them to be assertive?

This person competes with women after having a lifetime of advantage of being a man. Swim times change after puberty to recognise the massive improvement that make puberty gives. But let's just tell the girls that one of those boys you're competing with might say they are a woman in future years and compete against you and take your place, records etc.

dimorphism · 26/07/2023 09:07

I mean it's becoming clearer why he's so opposed to unisex toilets - unlikely to be young girls in there.

Kellie Jay would walk in and tell it like it is. How DARE all the other officials tell those girls they have to change in front of an adult man. How DARE they send the message to teen girls they have no rights to dignity, privacy and safety.

There will be many girls being failed in safeguarding terms (the most important laws for children which should take precedence over the equality act) as well as discriminated against on the basis of sex and possibly also religion. Parental consent also breached because they were not informed.

How is this the UK in 2023?

viques · 26/07/2023 09:09

In one of her Twitter responses to this man Sharron D said that it is an almost unspoken but understood rule among women that you don’t put other women into situations that embarrass them about their bodies ( I am para phrasing what she said), and it appears she is right as usual, certainly about this person who is prepared to embarrass and discomfort 16 year old children in order to massage his own ego and make them complicit in his sexual fantasy. It really is an unbelievable example of male entitlement wearing a dress. You would think his allegedly female partner would put him right about it, but hasn’t it seems.

Hoppinggreen · 26/07/2023 09:10

But this person was wearing a skirt, surely that’s the only qualification for accessing the female changing room?

viques · 26/07/2023 09:13

And on his Twitter btw there is a photo of him doing the same role last year at the Sheffield meet. So I expect he will be claiming that no one minds him perving over 16 year olds because no one said anything last time. ( which begs the question why not)

mrshoho · 26/07/2023 09:19

And these men who insist on needing to use women's facilities to feel safe are nothing but devious. The deliberate demure outer clothes to give the appearance of being harmless and no threat to anyone. Yet once in the can't help but expose themselves.

It was like that NHS employee a while back. The female staff were told they had to put up with him wandering around their changing rooms with his dick out. When staff took matters into their own hand by leaving him notes, he sued the NHS for bullying.

I hope this whole sorry ideology implodes on itself.

Beowulfa · 26/07/2023 09:21

Please don't hesitate to get the Mail onto this if the swim club doesn't respond promptly and with full awareness of this safeguarding fail.

No male knowingly enters a changing room full of teenage girls with honest intentions.

CorruptedCauldron · 26/07/2023 09:31

It’s awful that young girls have had to get changed in front of this individual. It explains why Anne had no qualms about spitting the dummy in front of the masses on Twitter after being directed to the unisex facilities at the hotel. As far as Anne is concerned, Anne has already been using women’s facilities unchallenged and has been able to see young girls in a state of undress. So how dare anyone tell Anne to stop now?

It’s time that the rights of women and girls were respected. It’s not hateful to want single-sex spaces for women and girls, and it doesn’t interfere with a trans person’s life. Women having their own spaces doesn’t stop a trans person from wearing whatever they want, using whatever name and pronouns they want, calling themselves whatever gender they want, and playing a fulfilling role in society. Single-sex spaces protect the safety, dignity and privacy of women.

As for this meriting a separate thread, maybe it could be an AIBU?

SequentialAnalyst · 26/07/2023 09:43

Solidarity to those teenage swimmers.

Angry
StefanosHill · 26/07/2023 09:43

Beowulfa · 26/07/2023 09:21

Please don't hesitate to get the Mail onto this if the swim club doesn't respond promptly and with full awareness of this safeguarding fail.

No male knowingly enters a changing room full of teenage girls with honest intentions.

I agree. The girls need someone to step up. They can’t do anything.

dimorphism · 26/07/2023 09:45

DreamItDoIt · 26/07/2023 09:03

They have to accept they are.

Parents have the power to stop this - why aren't they? Why aren't they protecting their children and raising them to be assertive?

This person competes with women after having a lifetime of advantage of being a man. Swim times change after puberty to recognise the massive improvement that make puberty gives. But let's just tell the girls that one of those boys you're competing with might say they are a woman in future years and compete against you and take your place, records etc.

I agree parents have the power to stop this but it's clear parents are not being told about this so don't know. I bet loads have quietly removed their daughters from events if they do know.

We have to raise safeguarding complaints and demand our money back. Children's sports clubs rely on the money from parents and often volunteering too. I will refuse to give either to any club that so clearly has a policy that my daughter's rights (to safeguarding as per uk law as well as dignity, privacy, fair competition) are less important than anyone male. In fact the rights of tens of girls count less than one entitled male.

I can't imagine the Dads being ok with this either....the clubs have deliberately covered this up is my guess. Possibly tried to bully and gaslight the kids into silence (in manner of what happened to Riley Gaines)

SequentialAnalyst · 26/07/2023 09:45

And strength to you, @chinook

Annaishere · 26/07/2023 10:05

Some of these comments are unfair. To say it’s a fetish etc. They have a mental health issue

mrshoho · 26/07/2023 10:13

Annaishere · 26/07/2023 10:05

Some of these comments are unfair. To say it’s a fetish etc. They have a mental health issue

It could well be a mental health issue but the behaviour still results in fetishism. Women and girls should still be protected and safeguarded whether the threat comes from mental health issues or deviant fetishism.

CorruptedCauldron · 26/07/2023 10:16

Even if Anne was the loveliest, kindest, most gentle and inoffensive trans person that ever walked the Earth, it doesn’t matter. Women have a right to say no to males in their female-only spaces.

SerafinasGoose · 26/07/2023 10:22

CorruptedCauldron · 26/07/2023 10:16

Even if Anne was the loveliest, kindest, most gentle and inoffensive trans person that ever walked the Earth, it doesn’t matter. Women have a right to say no to males in their female-only spaces.

I agree. And Anne isn't. Kind, gentle, inoffensive people don't stampede over others' rights and to hell with whether it makes them uncomfortable.

The men who are elbowing their way into women's spaces in this way, are the last men who have any business anywhere near those spaces.

Anne is, to quote Anne's own words, 'determined' to use the female changing areas, even though a perfectly safe and comfortable alternative had been offered.

Why?

Annaishere · 26/07/2023 10:23

*Anne is, to quote Anne's own words, 'determined' to use the female changing areas, even though a perfectly safe and comfortable alternative had been offered.

Why?*

because they believe they are a woman