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Myalternate · 20/07/2023 11:22

The reference to him being born and raised female…’ should be changed. At no point was he ever female.

puffyisgood · 20/07/2023 11:34

Myalternate · 20/07/2023 11:22

The reference to him being born and raised female…’ should be changed. At no point was he ever female.

that's exactly right, it'd be accurate to say that CS was assigned female at birth, as it turned out incorrectly, and outside of sport has always appeared to identify as male.

pues · 20/07/2023 13:15

A lot of people covering their ears and going "nah nah nah who cares?"
All women should care about this cheating.

Savonarola1452 · 20/07/2023 18:18

Usually profit comes before ideology for businesses, especially bookmakers, however I am not convinced that they have correctly priced the Banda factor into their odds. Perhaps the volumes on women's football are still tiny enough that they would rather eat small losses than model the forbidden truth.

Of course, a team relying on "the big lad up front" isn't guaranteed to dominate, even against smaller, slower female defenders, if the rest of the team behind him are not great. There is 1000/1 available on Zambia to win the whole thing though, if you do fancy a tiny chance of making a huge TERF point and massive profit.

However some of the more realistic odds are also surprisingly generous considering IT'S A MAN! I am sticking a couple of quid on Zambia to be eliminated at the Quarter Final stage since the value bet at 100/1 has to be worth it. If they manage to beat Japan on Saturday (also tempting odds of 19/2) they are likely to get out of the group (available at 15/2) behind troubled but still strong Spain, and then face New Zealand, Switzerland, or a relatively poor Norway. They would then most likely play the USA in the QF, which would hopefully be the end of the farce.

Even if realistically the weakness of the rest of their team does lead to them being eliminated at the group stage, some of the individual goalscoring odds on Banda are suspiciously good. Against Japan there is 17/2 for first goalscorer and 9/4 for anytime, which seems slightly mad. Against Spain I probably won't touch it, since they will largely be able to keep the ball away from him, but when the Costa Rica odds come out I will also be taking a look to see if the delusion persists and can be gamed for fun and profit.

puffyisgood · 20/07/2023 18:34

Savonarola1452 · 20/07/2023 18:18

Usually profit comes before ideology for businesses, especially bookmakers, however I am not convinced that they have correctly priced the Banda factor into their odds. Perhaps the volumes on women's football are still tiny enough that they would rather eat small losses than model the forbidden truth.

Of course, a team relying on "the big lad up front" isn't guaranteed to dominate, even against smaller, slower female defenders, if the rest of the team behind him are not great. There is 1000/1 available on Zambia to win the whole thing though, if you do fancy a tiny chance of making a huge TERF point and massive profit.

However some of the more realistic odds are also surprisingly generous considering IT'S A MAN! I am sticking a couple of quid on Zambia to be eliminated at the Quarter Final stage since the value bet at 100/1 has to be worth it. If they manage to beat Japan on Saturday (also tempting odds of 19/2) they are likely to get out of the group (available at 15/2) behind troubled but still strong Spain, and then face New Zealand, Switzerland, or a relatively poor Norway. They would then most likely play the USA in the QF, which would hopefully be the end of the farce.

Even if realistically the weakness of the rest of their team does lead to them being eliminated at the group stage, some of the individual goalscoring odds on Banda are suspiciously good. Against Japan there is 17/2 for first goalscorer and 9/4 for anytime, which seems slightly mad. Against Spain I probably won't touch it, since they will largely be able to keep the ball away from him, but when the Costa Rica odds come out I will also be taking a look to see if the delusion persists and can be gamed for fun and profit.

worth a look, but I don't think that BB is that good. the standard of individual players in top women's international football (not the overall game, which at its best can be a superb spectacle) is probably, what, like really good men's school or university football, that sort of thing roughly. hard to compare full time pro players with part timers. BB is probably just at about that standard, like a good male amateur player. will probably score a couple but won't be able to drag an otherwise poor team (which I read hasn't been paid since the Tokyo Olympics :( ) all the way.

BodegaSushi · 20/07/2023 18:43

MrsJamin · 18/07/2023 07:01

Very suspicious tbh. Sounds like another caster semenya case.

Ok I know not the subject of this post kid I just google Caster. I vaguely remembered hearing about it at the time but didn't know any details.

Who the hell approved them as female?

From the Wikipedia page:

'Semenya is an intersex woman,[8] with 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency,[9] assigned female at birth,[10] with XY chromosomes and natural heterogametic testosterone level.'

XY. Make chromosomes.

Then from the wiki page on the disorder:

'The condition is rare, affects only genetic males, and has a broad spectrum.'

Confused
Toomanybikesinourhouse · 20/07/2023 19:10

That’s a good article by Oliver Brown. He really knows his stuff and he won’t let this rest now. It’s good to have scrutiny on football. They’ve been dodging this issue for years now and a bit of pressure is good

WickedSerious · 20/07/2023 19:37

pues · 20/07/2023 13:15

A lot of people covering their ears and going "nah nah nah who cares?"
All women should care about this cheating.

I've raised the issue on several football forums,people are surprisingly reluctant to discuss it.

I'll keep mentioning it though.

Abhannmor · 20/07/2023 19:45

This is Megan Rapinoes last WC I think. Imagine if Zambia knocked the USA out. Though that is highly improbable. It would be sort of poetic...

WickedSerious · 20/07/2023 19:48

Abhannmor · 20/07/2023 19:45

This is Megan Rapinoes last WC I think. Imagine if Zambia knocked the USA out. Though that is highly improbable. It would be sort of poetic...

Banda hat trick.

KiteofUncertainty · 20/07/2023 22:08

Cheating is cheating, even if you don't win.

Cheating is cheating, whatever your ability level or the standard of the competition.

MattDamon · 21/07/2023 21:53

FYI - Banda's first game in the WC is tomorrow (Sat) morning at 08:00 on BBC2 or iplayer.

pues · 22/07/2023 06:23

Wonder if there will be any mention of the controversy. Somehow I doubt it...

MattDamon · 22/07/2023 06:31

BBC mentioned Banda in passing yesterday and the presenter was gushing about 'her' skills, so I doubt it.

pues · 22/07/2023 06:52

Oh FFS

pues · 22/07/2023 07:56

Well the bbc mentioned that Banda had to play in China due to high testosterone...

MattDamon · 22/07/2023 08:02

Good to hear they at least mentioned it.

I'm cheering for Japan as loudly as I can at 08:00 AM. Yui Hasegawa is one of my fave WSL players (Man City).

ChokkaQuokka · 22/07/2023 08:18

Despite the actions of the Gillard government (who repeatedly refuse to legislate marriage equality but pushed through gender identity everywhere when no discussion), Australia’s Sex Discrimination Act clause 42(1) still reads as follows.

(1) Nothing in Division 1 or 2 renders it unlawful to discriminate on the ground of sex, gender identity or intersex status by excluding persons from participation in any competitive sporting activity in which the strength, stamina or physique of competitors is relevant.

oh, and pregnancy discrimination explicitly says “pregnant woman”, voluntary bodies can exclude people of a particular sex and so on.

IANAL but including males in women’s and girls’ sports and other facilities in Australia has been entirely a choice.

link https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2023C00003

pues · 22/07/2023 08:22

Yes Japan! Or is it?
Oh no offside

pues · 22/07/2023 08:46

Zambia only have one plan- get the ball to BB. Hopefully they'll be going home soon.

Zeugma · 22/07/2023 08:52

I couldn’t be less interested in football but out of curiosity I tuned in and saw Japan's goal just now. The commentary is clearly praising Banda to the skies as the star of the Zambian team and basically the one on the team to be feared. I wonder why that would be, hmm? 🤔

MattDamon · 22/07/2023 08:52

ChokkaQuokka · 22/07/2023 08:18

Despite the actions of the Gillard government (who repeatedly refuse to legislate marriage equality but pushed through gender identity everywhere when no discussion), Australia’s Sex Discrimination Act clause 42(1) still reads as follows.

(1) Nothing in Division 1 or 2 renders it unlawful to discriminate on the ground of sex, gender identity or intersex status by excluding persons from participation in any competitive sporting activity in which the strength, stamina or physique of competitors is relevant.

oh, and pregnancy discrimination explicitly says “pregnant woman”, voluntary bodies can exclude people of a particular sex and so on.

IANAL but including males in women’s and girls’ sports and other facilities in Australia has been entirely a choice.

link https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2023C00003

Can't speak for Australia but this inclusion of men at World Cup level is down to FIFA.

MattDamon · 22/07/2023 08:54

Zeugma · 22/07/2023 08:52

I couldn’t be less interested in football but out of curiosity I tuned in and saw Japan's goal just now. The commentary is clearly praising Banda to the skies as the star of the Zambian team and basically the one on the team to be feared. I wonder why that would be, hmm? 🤔

It was like this when they played Germany last week. Over-the-top gushing praise. If he was actually as good as they say, he'd be playing against other men. Instead, he has to cheat.

Zeugma · 22/07/2023 08:57

MattDamon · 22/07/2023 08:54

It was like this when they played Germany last week. Over-the-top gushing praise. If he was actually as good as they say, he'd be playing against other men. Instead, he has to cheat.

Exactly. And Banda leads the team off the pitch at half-time with the other players filing submissively behind. Every picture tells a story.

puffyisgood · 22/07/2023 08:58

Oh well. At least the man of the match award should be a foregone conclusion.