"If you see a terf ... " Sarah Jane Baker thread 2

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Not sure if anyone wants a second thread but as the issue is still live thought I would start one

Original thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4844898-if-you-see-a-terf-punch-them-in-the-fucking-face-speech-at-trans-pride-london-8-july-2023

That victim, by the way, was 19. The ordeal has, understandably, marked him for life. Both physically and mentally.

So have I read this right, Baker and Baker's brother got a mere 7 years for that horrendous attack?

It sounds like this guy used the defence of, "I'm just an idiot", and then as soon as he was found not guilty contradicted that.

Yep. The extra time inside was for attempted murder, whilst he was inside.

'The brothers were jailed for seven years by a judge who described the ordeal as 'an exercise in sadism and cruelty which may well have led to his death'.

Baker, now 53, ended up spending 30 years in jail after she was convicted of attempted murder for breaking into a prisoner's cell and trying to strangle him to death.'

Boys will be boys...

Extensive interview with SJBs 'missus' here.

SJB described as a 'political prisoner'.

I hope he dies in prison. Sick fucker

Anyone else looking at the recent pictures of sjb and wonder how come they haven't showered for two months but managed a shiny new hair dye job?

Doesnt look like there is any way to complain about a magistrate's decisions except to write to the Ministry of Justice, whose head is Alex Chalke MP.. https://members.parliament.uk/member/4481/contact

Anyone know any other way to complain?

Violence against women is not only decriminalised but state-sanctioned again.

In the second wave, we used to describe this state as male and as patriarchal.

Well we wouldn’t want to ruin his life over a silly mistake would we?

ruining women’s lives for things they’ve said on the internet is fine, obvs

I don’t even think that’s comparable tbh- that would still be a woman attempting to incite violence towards a man.

This is a man telling other men they should hit a woman.

The comparison would be more accurate if a GC male was making physical threats towards one of the female TRAs/allies.

And he would rightly be condemned, which is the difference.

These are just men who wish to assault women (nothing unique about that, is there?) and being applauded for it.

Does anyone else feel terrified by this? The judge has effectively told men - including ones with a history of criminal assault - that they can threaten and incite violence against women and they won't be punished for it. If we can't rely on the judicial system to protect us, then we have nothing. We are at the mercy of violent men.

It is astonishing.

I can pretty sure if you put any other term in that sentence instead of TERF (anything ethnic, for example) you'd be prosecuted for hate speech and actually convicted and punished.

But sexism is fine, and threatening women is fine. I also think of TERF as a bit of a synonym for Karen these days - so it's fine to threaten a woman of a certain age.

And Saudi wants support in holding the football World Cup. It was bad enough that Qatar had it. There should be a straight-forward "f off until you treat women with respect".

It was a magistrates court decision on one particular day.

It's possible that the magistrates court made an error in law by allowing that kind of "I'm just stupid", "I didn't mean it", defence. Your intention does matter to whether you have committed a crime, sure, but it can be taken that far?

It's obviously not great in terms of "sending a message" that he was found innocent, but he was still prosecuted and is spending time in prison.

That one criminal gets away using a dodgy excuse... like even if that defence is genuinely allowed in law, it doesn't mean that the next person that tries it would be believed.

Where are the usual suspects who are normally all over misogyny and VAWG, who gave the Sarah Everard story and vigil Met Police debacle coverage their undivided attention, running the narrative for months of a cesspit of Andrew Tate style misogyny in British men and boys?

Where are they? Where the fuck are they?
Nowhere to be seen.
So while the rest of us decry institutional male attitudes incl everyday risk for women, Tate phenomena AND toxicity like SJB, and his calls for literal violence, the liberal hand wringing MSM are going "yes, but..."

This is swirling into something beyond the negativity we saw pre-Covid. Women like Roisin are not only being cancelled but are being ritually humiliated. Women generally are being told by the judiciary not only do they not have a sex class because the law has nothing to say about clear and present threats to it and it's members.

I was feeling positive about the Arrow Of History arcing towards common sense and light.

Roisin's very public lynching and the law protecting a lethal risk to women is again making the Arrow quiver off course.

Remember a week after Baker's speech and the call to violence was echoed across the UK this happened in Scotland. A woman was punched in the face.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/feminist-campaigner-left-black-eye-30540007

No charges were brought. Yet the middle aged woman who was attacked by a 20 year old man has not been silenced and has gone back out there.

I fear the TRA are going to see Baker's case as a licence to continue their violence.

Our response though has to be increasingly speaking out. There is no going back, we know that they will come for women whatever happens. The authorities are useless. However what threats and actions men use to silence women are going to fail. They failed in the 1910s, they failed in the 70s.

Even taking the judge at their word, ie SJB rant was not a call to violence, but "publicity".

Publicity for what?

The Free SJB campaign? Maybe Nelson Mandela should have said punch a TERF in the fucking face.

For the trans cause? Maybe trans everywhere should adopt the same publicity approach, I beseech Owen Jones to fight for trans on his podcast using the selfsame words.

For a nifty range of SJB inspired clothing and apparel? Yep, the judge agrees it's fine to mouth such words to sell t-shirts, bandanas, handbags, and of course umbrellas (for those pesky LWS events).

Unless there is some other publicity reason to call open season and set the dogs on women everywhere.

Because I can't see it, "publicity" is the lamest excuse ever for this embarrassment of a legal mind to have used in letting this individual off.

Trans activist who served 30 years in jail recalled for licence breach mol.im/a/12468359

Not sure if this has been posted

The cream always rises to the top.

Screenshot of mail article

It's interesting that the lay person (magistrate) decided to find not guilty, while the people who understand the law and offenders, recalled this offender. Thank goodness "they" is now in prison

KJK is FIRE on her youtube last night.

https://www.youtube.com/live/GIqp1pgXB6M