DM -Italy erases names of gay mothers from birth certs

[DustyLee123]

Can’t do links. Story about removing one mother from the certs where there’s two female names .

That’s not really relevant to what’s happened in Italy though and what happens in this country, that’s a side topic regarding surrogacy or egg donation. What currently happens is the birth mother is recorded as the birth mother and her partner is recorded as a parent, time and time again people are saying a woman’s female partner or wife has no place on the birth certificate because it lists her as the birth mother or mother and this is a falsehood which has led to TR issues and this is completely incorrect, essentially blaming lesbians for gender and trans rights issues that women face, which is offensive. I and other posters have explained numerous times that this does not happen yet people keep trotting this out as the excuse to support what has happened in Italy, which is driven by homophobia since lesbians can’t even adopt there, so denies them any parental rights over the child they parent.

I agree a child should know who they are.

Why does that need to be on a state document that they have to show at certain times of life, rather than in their personal medical records?

I agree.
It's not right for the non blood related parent to lose rights to the child in the event of a divorce or death so their rights, and that of their child, need to be protected.
But the birth certificate is about letting the child know what their history is and where they've come from. We have ample evidence of how important this is to the mental health of many young and, indeed, much older people. It's not about the parents feelings, it's about the factual information the child has about their origins.

Are you arguing against having birth certificates at all?

Yep - so devastating

Exactly, do people really think a child who has lesbian parents is not going to realise they can’t have two biological mums? In the UK children born by donor conception have the legal right to information about their donor when they turn 18, so naming a woman’s partner as a parent on the birth certificate does not in anyway prevent them from finding out who their donor is. I can’t see any reason why it would disadvantage a child to have someone who is their parent registered as a parent on the BC, it actually benefits the child as the parent has a financial responsibility to them due to being their legal parent. In the event the birth mother died during labour the parent would also immediately be their guardian, how would this work if they hadn’t adopted them yet? They would have no rights what so ever. Making lesbian parents adopt children provides no advantages or benefits to the child or that family.

No I don't think so.

I think I'm arguing that it is reasonable to have the 1 or 2 people who are stepping up and taking legal parental responsibility for the child from birth to be on the birth certificate.

The register of birth held by the state would always also need to record the mother who gave birth, even in a surrogacy situation, and she would need to legally agree pre-conception if she wanted to not be recorded as a legal parent. This would to prevent stealing of babies or coercive control to hand one over circumventing proper adoption routes.

I'm 100% convinced I'm right in what I'm thinking by the way. Just testing the arguments.

I'm 100% convinced I'm right in what I'm thinking by the way. Just testing the arguments.

Major missing word there!! I'm NOT 100% convinced I'm right !

😂

hink I'm arguing that it is reasonable to have the 1 or 2 people who are stepping up and taking legal parental responsibility for the child from birth to be on the birth certificate.

no this is not the purpose of a birth certificate it’s not to validate the people who want to take legal responsibility
it’s to record accurate information about the birth

time date place mother father hospital ect

Because in law knowing who the child is can have legal repercussions

for example you can be made to pay child maintenance if your the biological father
judges may decide how assets are devided on the basis of somone if the father or not

medical treatment

custody

adoption ect

How is having a parent registered who will be a parent not accurate? She’s not being registered as the father or mother, she’s being accurately registered as a parent.

Making lesbian parents adopt children provides no advantages or benefits to the child or that family.

I don’t see this as being about lesbians.

I see it as being about people with no biological relationship to a child wanting to be registered on their birth certificate.

I think this has consequences and that there should be some way to register a non-biologically related person with parental responsibility, without them being named on the birth certificate. I don’t think it should be gruelling process like adoption, because the baby will still be with its mother, so no separation is involved. But there should be an additional process in place, sort of like adoption, but sort of like registering a birth, with specific rights associated with it.

Because their not the biological parent

should a man who feels like a women have who is the biological father be marked as the biological mother on a child’s birth certificate if not why not

if truth means nothing then we are unable to have a debate

Lol, bit of a curveball 😂

Why? Lesbians already need to go through a regulated clinic for the non birth mother to go on the birth certificate in the U.K. What benefit is your additional system affording the family or the state?

”The register of birth held by the state would always also need to record the mother who gave birth, even in a surrogacy situation, and she would need to legally agree pre-conception if she wanted to not be recorded as a legal parent. This would to prevent stealing of babies or coercive control to hand one over circumventing proper adoption routes.”

There would also need to be a legal agreement that the parents for whom she is providing surrogacy were guaranteed to take the child. It’s not unknown for them to decide they don’t want the child, for various reasons, at which point the mother suddenly finds herself legally responsible for a child that she never intended to raise herself.

Surrogacy has the potential to create awful problems. Obviously it can’t be prevented altogether as people would just do it illegally, but I think the current situation, where the use of surrogates seems to be increasing, is likely to lead to an increasing number of complex problems, most of which are not in the child’s interest.

Their is well in this county there is

I have a son who is 23 not my husbands biological son when he was six he applied for parental responsibility gives him all the rights that a biological father would have the end but the man who’s on my sons birth certificate is not my husband because well he’s “not the father” as Jerry springer would say

It doesn’t say biological parent though does it? It says parent, you can parent a child and be a legal parent without being the biological parent, which if you’re not registered as the mother or the father makes that pretty clear, there’s nothing untruthful about it.

What consequences?

That all sounds right, transparent and fair to me.

They way to stop surrgocey is to bring them in with adoption rules like

step parents have to

step parents have to go through the adoption process like all other unrelated biological adults who want to be legally recognised to parent a child

it would cut out alot of the bat shit celebrities and rich folk also safe guard the women honestly most people wouldn’t be able to pass the adoption process it would cease over night

If a birth certificate is a factual document with mother who gave birth named then there can't logically be another female named as the mother.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-cpra2-step-parent-parental-responsibility-agreement

we don’t know the law in Italy most people don’t even know about this in the uk 🤷🏿‍♂️

If the second field says “other parent” are you ok with a woman’s name going down?