DM -Italy erases names of gay mothers from birth certs

[DustyLee123]

Can’t do links. Story about removing one mother from the certs where there’s two female names .

And then he will need to turn up at the registry office and sign up for parental responsibility due not be married to the mum (fat chance! We would have to start using bailiffs to round the absent chaps up and drag them to court).

I definitely agree with that. What would your view on reciprocal IVF be though : the genetic mother's egg is implanted in her partner, who carries and births the baby. I think the answer would be to record both.

Yes. A child's genes are important, their sense of history. It takes a woman and a man to create that child. Both should be named in the birth certificate ideally.
It's a birth certificate, not a who will prove to be the best parent certificate.

What if the gestational mother used the non gestational mother's egg?

What if the woman who didn't give birth gave the other woman her eggs to use?

Charming, aren't you? 😊

So you entirely discount the woman whose womb grows the baby in that situation?

The reason that this is fundamentally homophobic is simply that none of this concern happens when the mother is heterosexual. A woman can name any male to be on the birth certificate as the father without providing genetic proof. I don't know the specifics of Italian law but in the uk if the woman is married, the man she is married to gets listed as the father even if the mum was shagging 10 different blokes a day at thr time of conception and she has no idea who the father is. Even if she knows exactlywho the father is, she can take a different man along to the registration appointment and get him listed as the father, with no proof ever required. It would be impossible to start requiring such proof without first abolishing personal bodily autonomy under a fascist state because quite rightly no one can be compelled to take a paternity dna test against their will and it's an unreasonable intrusion into a woman's personal privacy to force her to reveal the details of every man she shagged around conception time for the purpose of tracking them down and forcing such tests. This being so, it is totally fictional to assert that any birth certificate gives accurate information about any child's biological father. All birth certificates merely record who the social 2nd parent is going to be, which in some uncountable number may also be the genetic father but the birth certificate cannot possibly attest to that either way. That being so, there is no reason other than homophobia for female 2nd parents not to be listed when that is the choice of the mother. The named birthing mother on a birth certificate can always obviously be 100% known and can always be recorded, even if the genetic mother is someone else. But if you don't agree that the rules for how a 2nd parent may be named should be the same whatever the sex of that person, that is blatant homophobia.

Anyway, good news on this front :

https://gomag.com/article/lesbian-moms-win-legal-breakthrough-in-italys-high-court/

That is good news! Thanks for sharing

This is all a load of BS. If a birth certificate is suspected as being inaccurate there is a process to reveal the inaccuracy and change it. No one is supposed to be knowingly falsifying it, any more than they are meant to knowingly falsify other documents.

The fact that sometimes people get away with fraud does not mean that fraud is ok and how it's supposed to work.

You are wrong. It isn't fraud. It is entirely legitimate and within the legal framework of the concept of marriage that if a woman is married to a man then that man is automatically the legal father of her children no matter who the genetic father is. It is automatically part of the framework for how the birth if a baby to an unmarried woman is registered that whichever male she takes with her to the registration appointment is registered as the father. The only time any genetic tests are involved is if a man who is being pursued for child maintenance wants to disown their link to a child. No woman is expected or asked to make any legal declaration as to who the genetic father of her child is, this is not part of the process, so no fraud takes place if the person whose name goes on the certificate as father is not genetically linked. You can't call this bullshit just because you'd like something else to be true.