KJK and the neo-nazis video

[niandraladesand]

Just wondering if anyone here has seen this yet and what you think of it

That they won't even watch the video before commenting speaks volumes.

There's not a shred of evidence the OP has watched the video.

Again, if there's a particularly compelling direct quote or key point you can timestamp, I'll look.

What I won't do is waste my one and only life staring at yet another denunciation and guilt -by-association dickfest.

This is a bit like a Jehovah's Witness or some other missionary turning up, handing you a copy of the Bible and saying "just wondering if anyone here has seen this yet and what you think of it".

It's a bit low-effort.

"Any passages you particularly recommend?"

"Nope."

And then getting grumpy that you won't discuss it :)

Your traditional missionary type is annoying, but we've discovered something even worse - the missionary who doesn't know their own product.

Lovey the video is 2 hours long

and if the 10 minutes I watched is indicative it’s also so boring it’s bordering on criminal

It’s very reasonable to ask someone who asks you to spend 2 hours of your life watching what appears to be on first examination a stolid extrusion from a roundly boring misogynist which bits of said log they’d especially recommend

you won’t reply of course because you can’t explain why you think what you think

doesn’t thinking what other people tell you to get boring after a while?

I hate watching videos anyway - just get to the point FFS - but if you need two hours to say it, then I do tend to assume that you don't have anything that would make your argument within ten minutes.

In effect, there's no evidence, no smoking gun at all. Just wittering and 'but what she REALLY meant here was...'.

See also, all the excruciating dissections of JKR's essay against the clarion call of what she actually wrote.

KJK can demolish the TRA argument in one sentence by asking them to define 'woman'.

If the counter argument relies on people watching a two hour video, I predict, and this is just a hunch, that it's crap.

“Can't be arsed now as any spirit of intelligent, thoughtful debate is gone.”

Oh dear. And here you are supporting an OP who has not offered one shred of ‘intelligent, thoughtful debate’ in this thread. What does that say about you?

“All these posters, effectively putting their fingers in their ears and going la-la-la as they have swallowed KJK's narc bullshit. ”

And there we have it!

It is not about ‘intelligent, thoughtful debate’ at all. It seems to be all about the opportunity to shame women for their choice in who they give any support at all to. You have a personal gripe about a woman, so you believe that all feminists should not give support to her.

Seems that your issue is a deep prejudice rather than anything else.

“That they won't even watch the video before commenting speaks volumes.”

Did you watch it and post your analysis of it? No? So your post is also hypocritical too.

“It's a waste of time, they're not engaging their brains, they're just repeating what they know they're meant to say.”

I suspect you are a poster who has tried to argue this kind of shite on other threads and therefore you would probably know that much of the accusations that will be in that video have already been shown to be flawed. Maybe you are a poster who is overly reliant on ‘guilt by association’ in the past.

It is laughable that statement of yours, posters commenting on this thread are some who have been the ones to provide swathes of actual thought out rebuttal in the past. If the OP was that interested, they have been on FWR for a while, they could have used advanced search to see previous points that we have already argued.

Why the fuck should any poster expect other posters to keep posting the same information because they were too lazy to go and look for it, and to start a thread adding not one shred of ‘intelligent and thoughtful debate” to the thread they started in the first place?

It's very, very similar to arguing with TRAs.

Excepting of course that no one threatens to punch you, rape you, murder you or calls you part of some historical Nasty Movement they vaguely remember hearing someone else talk about, but in fact know sod all about, just because it sounds good.

And they tend to quite like actual facts and spend a lot of time asking for actual conversation instead of just repeating mantras.

But you do you, hang out on the boards you still enjoy. If one small blond woman can put you off wanting equality and rights for women and children then you probably weren't that attached to them in the first place really.

So, which bits of the video did you find particularly interesting? I look forward to your thoughtful input.

I don't think they can point to a bit. You know, the whole video is a vibe, yanno, where the bad lady turns out to be super evil for like, I dunno, reasons? It's a whole thing.

Oh no, this video is definitely proof and evidence of something.

Possibly just that any random idiot can post hours long videos on youtube, but who knows?

😂

@clothesintervention @niandraladesand Is it really not possible to summarise the evidence contained within this apparently very long video?

I'm relying on Google maps!
Driving up from Glasgow and picking up a friend in Arbroath on the way.

This is all about the dreadful propaganda of the picture of Posie over those saluting men isn't it?

Simply planting that disgusting picture does the work for the idiots or so they think.

No, there is no point.

I've tried talking with you lot about KJK and frankly I have better things to do with my Sunday.

My experience the last several times I've tried this is her fans here will try every trick in the book to twist and deflect and minimise so they don't need to face what she is, and that she's using you all.

As I said I can't be arsed any more.

The facts remain that KJK is marketing herself at the far right, she's throwing women under the bus, she's a self serving egotist who's only concerned with her own popularity and money.

Women with little money give it to her because they think they're helping the cause, and she spends it on her mortgage and funding her lifestyle. And you lot are OK with it! It beggars belief. She's basically acting like a dodgy cult leader at this point.

And, no, I offer no proof. It's all out there. I know you lot just don't want to hear it, and are happy to waste hours excusing the inexcusable so I'm not going to waste my time.

I have watched (most of) the video, yes, and the bloke doesn't get it right all the time, it's pretty frustrating in places, but even so, the evidence about KJK is there.

And what she's up to is damaging to women's rights.

But you go on, carry on supporting this ridiculous woman. I mean, have you actually listened to her? "I never lose".

She's a joke. What kind of deluded, narc nonsense is that? Honestly. Have some self respect!

KJK is running a grift, it's tragic to see so many of you fall for it.

I have watched (most of) the video, yes, and the bloke doesn't get it right all the time, it's pretty frustrating in places, but even so, the evidence about KJK is there

So the video is long, frustrating, boring and wrong in places, but you want us to wade through it anyway rather than say what the 'evidence' is?

No, I expect you to look for any excuse not to watch it, exactly as you are doing, so you can avoid having to face up to what's actually going on here.

Same as my TRA friend refuses to read articles about gender ideology in the Mail, Telegraph or Spectator as she's made up her mind they're transphobic so won't read it.

Same refusal to engage in the actual arguments or consider you're being manipulated and lied to.

It makes you more vulnerable to being manipulated and lied to, by the way.

The facts remain that KJK is marketing herself at the far right, No she isn't

she's throwing women under the bus, no she isn't

she's a self serving egotist no she isn't, and even if she is so what.

who's only concerned with her own popularity and money. No she isn't

Women with little money give it to her because they think they're helping the cause, women have agency you know, give them credit for being able to decide what they do with their own money

and she spends it on her mortgage and funding her lifestyle. Because this is her job now how else is she expected to pay the bills And sorry pout the events where she lets women speak

And you lot are OK with it! Yep

It beggars belief. Only to you

She's basically acting like a dodgy cult leader at this point. Meh!

Yes. I remember your posts.

They lacked any of that ‘intelligent and thoughtful debate’ you declare you value.

And even here you don’t mention specifics. Just vague, ‘the evidence is all there’. Your posts reek of hypocrisy.

You don't need KJK's permission to speak, you know 😘

Really, you remember my posts? I doubt it.

What's my usual posting name then, clever clogs?

I tried to watch it.

One of My post from yesterday

OK I'm done

16.08 minutes

"Kelly Jay Keene can't play nice with the other transphobes"

That's quite enough of his drivel.

After 16 minutes of listening to his constant mistruths and calling everyone who is gender critical anti trans and transphobes why the fuck would I want to listen to any more of it? He wasnt coming from a neutral position intent on looking at it honestly. He had made up his mind and was making the information fit his version of events.

But here you are having a go yet have so far been unable to give us any time stamps of where he reveals some actual information that's truthful and may sway our opinion. Instead you just come on here to have a go

@clothesintervention , the only excuse I need not to watch a two-hour long YouTube video is that it's TWO FUCKING HOURS LONG!

If I had two hours to spare, I'd do something I enjoy. I don't watch GC videos that are two hours long. Or even 20 minutes tbh.

If there's something evidenced and clearly documented and written, I'll look.

If there's an especially telling passage I can be pointed to, I'll look.

If there's nothing punchy and conclusive to watch, I'm not going to waste my time. On either side of the debate.

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