The amount of women condoning prostitution

[Thatgirl1981]

Well I seen it all now when your told
well maybe they enjoyed seeking explicit pictures on line

and all the young people do it

someone is on drugs is selling pictures of themselves to fund that habit parents are in disparate because consent is given then morals be dammed

I often wonder if you consent to be murdered people who just say well they consented 🤷🏿‍♂️

Another account by a woman working as a receptionist in a legal Melbourne brothel:

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2018/07/01/working-as-a-receptionist-in-a-legal-brothel-prostitution-is-anything-but-a-normal-job/

Or if you want to talk about it from a fact-based health perspective, here is a factsheet from STOPAIDs. They are opposed to the "Nordic Model" and advocate for complete decriminalisation of prostitution.

https://stopaids.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/STOPAIDS-factsheet-sex-work.pdf

https://stopaids.org.uk/

"STOPAIDS is a membership network with a distinguished 35-year history of advocacy on international development and HIV."

This is what I mean. Tedious as fuck.

If you want to focus on the prostitutes, decriminalisation might give them more control than Nordic model but arguments can be made both ways and there is evidence to suit both.

Legalisation would be safest.

If you want to talk about reducing demand by making the p*nters think twice than nordic model is better than decriminalisation or legalisation.

In the UK prostitution isn't a crime anyway, pimping and soliciting is. So tbh I think we should leave the status quo. Definitely not be making it easier for grubby men to exploit desperate people for sexual gratification.

In GB it's also illegal for sexworkers to work together, which can lead to police raids on their homes or wherever they're working from.

From the account of working in a Melbourne brothel, above:

There was at least one incident of harassment, verbal abuse, violence or rough treatment towards the women on every single shift I ever worked in the brothel. I also experienced sexual harassment and verbal abuse myself from the punters; even the phone calls were harassing. I know another receptionist who had a gun held to her head in a hold up.

There were panic alarms in every room but they were never used while I was there. It was just accepted that abuse was part of the job. If women had pressed the panic button, which they would have been justified in doing several times every night, what was I going to do? I was on my own and the brothel owner expected me to stay at the reception desk to answer phone calls and let punters in. There were no security guards, and to my knowledge, no brothels in Melbourne have them.

Yeah, except it doesn't as the police don't have the resources for that. It's hard enough to get sex trafficker brothels raided and there are loads of "massage parlours" around openly advertising themselves.

You just look stupid now.

I thought this thread was interesting about the men who use prostitutes:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-never-to-go-into-prostitution-the-horrors-of-it-and-ukpunting-rant

And it always seems to be male punters who are incredibly keen on discussing legalisation. For some reason.

It's often a mixed bag of feminists and some sex workers who favour the Nordic model. Again, for some reason.

It's worth saying that the spokeswomen for legalisation are often not the women who are giving blow jobs in doorways for ten quid. The Belle de Jour thing is a tiny microcosm of the trade. A lot of the women involved in street sex work aren't able to access publishers and microphones. But I know a lot of those women. And being raped and robbed and abused isn't all choosy choose safe. And their 'boyfriends' pimp them out so removing the customers removes the incentive. It's not about flexible hours FFS.

ALL the men who use these women are scum and don't need 'condoning'.

I was replying to a post which claimed prostitute = woman. Not true is it?

@Iwasafool "I was replying to a post which claimed prostitute = woman. Not true is it?"

No, it's not true. Well done for helping with the deflection from the incontrovertible fact that the punters are almost exclusively men.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

In 2009 the UK had the biggest ever anti-trafficking raid which meant 6 months of surprise raids on suspected brothels across the entire UK using all police forces.

Guess how many traffickers/victims of trafficking they found?

https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-arrested-for-running-brothels-as-sex-workers-say-its-the-laws-that-are-criminal-12117653

Brothels are actually raided often. Arrests made are dominantly the sexworkers, as it is illegal to work together.

You're a punter, right @MerlinsLostMarbles ?

Saying feminists shouldn't speak for sex workers just makes more room for pimps, punters and other men to instead.

Did you read my link above? It contains testaments from sexworkers themselves.

"As the English Collective of Prostitutes tells sex workers on its website: "If you work with someone else in a flat you can be done for running a brothel, even if you are not there at the same time."

Emily, whose name has been changed to protect her identity, began working in the industry in the 1980s and went back to it after becoming a single mother.
She now works with another sex worker for her own protection.

She called it "draconian" that she could end up with at least seven years in prison for running the flat if caught by police.

Countries like New Zealand have decriminalised sex work - including brothel-keeping - which Emily supports."

That was swift. I always say when I report something...

'sexworker' - all one word - is very distinctive isn't it?

Agree op.

Yep. And you should know that women, including prostitutes themselves, think men that pay for sex are scummy losers.

I keep on coming back to the men. In this, as in so many other things, why aren't the good men speaking out? Why aren't men calling out their friends and colleagues who buy women for sex? Why aren't they raising their sons to speak out? Where are the fucking allies?

The problem is that neighbours don't tend to welcome 2 or 3 women using a flat as a brothel. They don't like the noise, the men hanging round, they worry about their kids and what they are seeing.

The punters being almost exclusively men does not men the prostitutes are exclusively women or even almost exclusively women. I know the truth doesn't always fit with the story people want to use but it's still the truth.

@Iwasafool "The punters being almost exclusively men does not men the prostitutes are exclusively women or even almost exclusively women."

I didn't say they were.

But you object to me pointing it out.