The amount of women condoning prostitution

[Thatgirl1981]

Well I seen it all now when your told
well maybe they enjoyed seeking explicit pictures on line

and all the young people do it

someone is on drugs is selling pictures of themselves to fund that habit parents are in disparate because consent is given then morals be dammed

I often wonder if you consent to be murdered people who just say well they consented 🤷🏿‍♂️

Of course, but why would they choose to end something that exists for their benefit and causes them zero detriment?

@LonginesPrime "Of course, but why would they choose to end something that exists for their benefit and causes them zero detriment?"

Indeed. I just hate to see yet another thing being women's fault and up to women to sort out!

There are often brothel raids (it's illegal for sexworkers to work together) but all that tends to do it give sexworkers(prostitutes) criminal records and other harm/inconvenience.

A few here are asking "how to stop sexwork" the answer to that is you can't. What you can do however is make it safer and stop criminalising women for working together.

For example, last year Belgium became the first European country to decriminalise sexwork:

https://brusselstimes.com/211351/historic-reform-belgium-first-in-europe-to-officially-decriminalise-sex-work

I wouldn't want my children to be toilet cleaners either, but I accept that there are people who have decided to do that as a profession.

In regards to the particular allegation, I'm not sure why we're making the assumption that the person was vulnerable and had to sell pictures to fund their drug addiction. Perhaps the person decided to set up an OnlyFans, make a lot of money from it and then decided to spend it on drugs that they then got addicted to?

We don't say that drug addicted rock stars were vulnerable people that had to make music to fund their drug addiction. Perhaps the drug addiction came after the fame and money?

I'm always baffled by how many people seem to know one sex worker or former sex worker, always happy.

I know LOADS of sex workers and former sex workers and the only one I know who was happy and has remained happy about it throughout is a dominatrix who doesn't actually have sex with clients. Just beats them and locks them in dungeons. ALL of the other sex workers I have known and know struggle. At least one is dead of an overdose. I still see her sister sometimes. I was talking to her before she went out one night, she was in floods of tears, wanting not to work but having to. Some sorry excuses for 'men' used her that night, tear-stained face and all.

If you think that's consent I feel very sorry for you.

If someone can't keep the lights on or needs a fix or doesn't have their passport, it's not consent. And if you don't KNOW it's still not consent.

Well according to the reports the young person in the Huw Edwards case made a huge amount of money, so clearly it does happen.

And, tbf, its not always about making huge amounts of money, for manyits about making enough money compared to the other things they might be doing.

It is so dangerous. I've worked on a number of cases of prostitutes being murdered by a punter, even more where they have been raped or robbed. Always very sad.

I believe in the case being referenced all parties are male, so I'm not sure why most of the thread is about female sex workers, their male clients and the sexism from men.

This really should be about young men and their sugar daddies.

IME the victims change but the entitled male behaviour looks very very similar.

It's about the seedy men using them.
I want it all gone OP but men would make the world difficult another way because of their "needs". I just can't believe we progress in so many ways but theres a limit to the progress when prostitution, porn and onlyfans are okay.

The attitudes men have towards consent and buying sex are the feminist issue, not the gender of the person they are having those attitudes towards
For some reason the men who do these things are always invisible in conversation, its the choices of the people being "done to" that are focussed on.

Seedy men buying pictures off of it, but what about seedy men selling pictures on it?

Particularly when it revolves around male sexuality, and seeing what Grindr and all of that is about, I struggle to see any of the men involved as victims.

Agreed. I don't understand how anyone can condone prostitution.

Re this comment on OF Well according to the reports the young person in the Huw Edwards case made a huge amount of money, so clearly it does happen.

Reports haven't mentioned OF in this case, as far as I know, so I hope this doesn't encourage people to go on OF to emulate this! I also doubt the lad made that sort of money on OF or selling pics etc.

People go into prostitution due to drug/alcohol/mental health or poverty.
No one who has an ounce of a better choice chooses this willingly.

Who knows better? Women who are sexworkers, or women who aren't sexworkers?

@MerlinsLostMarbles Easy! Women that are sex workers of course.

Seeing as merlin likes a bit of minority rule, it might be best for the 1% who have the best sex work job ever to speak on behalf of the 99% who feel trafficked.

35K over 3 years is not 'a huge amount of money'. You would struggle to like off 10K a year (admitedly theyre not payingtax but still).

Finally thought I was going mad, the whole thing is just vomit inducing male dominance and abuse of power, but yes poor him

You're a bloke, right?

You have so many fucking opinions about women and you chose that meme. Look up 'irony' in the dictionary, there's a love.

Maybe they are sick of being lectured and patronised by other women (and men!) who have decided what is best for them? Like any collective group these days 'we know best'

It's not about lecturing people. I have no want or need to tell women what they need to do. My power in the situation is limited to three things:

Offering women (and anyone in the sex trade) what they need to leave if they wish; housing, safety, money, safe supply, freedom from pimps and traffickers, protection, counselling, whatever.

Trying to end the precipitating factors that are common to many sex workers; trauma, ACE, reliance on unsafe supply of drugs, poverty, trafficking, pimping, CSA, abuse generally and misogyny.

Understanding that caring about and supporting the mainly WAG in the trade doesn't mean I can't condemn the punters. The trade is repulsive, the workers are not. It is useful t pimps and punters to confuse the two and behave as though feminists hate and are disgusted by the workers. In no world is that true. The punters are the issue. The pimps are the issue. Not the workers.

Why I'm allowed to hate sweat shops without hating the children that work in them, the drug trade without the indentured workers, the chocolate slavery without the child slave... but I must hate and patronise sex workers if I believe sex without free enthusiastic consent is vile. The fact is the punters are having sex they KNOW the women would not be having without the money. That's repulsive.

How trite. Prostitution damages society. Those engaged in prostitution, whether providers or punters or pimps are absolutely not the only voices with a right to be heard.

Maybe it can’t be stopped, but we could give some signals in society that buying people /the products and services of the sex industry makes you scummy. We need to focus on the purchasers.