The amount of women condoning prostitution

[Thatgirl1981]

Well I seen it all now when your told
well maybe they enjoyed seeking explicit pictures on line

and all the young people do it

someone is on drugs is selling pictures of themselves to fund that habit parents are in disparate because consent is given then morals be dammed

I often wonder if you consent to be murdered people who just say well they consented 🤷🏿‍♂️

There are very few women who really believe that prostitution is harmless, I also believe, having cared for abused teenage girls, that they do not suddenly decide at 18 that it is a great job with good career prospects. That is all they know, and the age of 18 is not a magic wand to make it all better. We know that shame of being publicised to the mens’ families or colleagues is the only thing that maybe stops them . So let’s have more outing and publicity, and support women financially to be able to leave.

It hasn't been outlawed

@Iwasafool Begs the question why those children are allowed to remain with the parents who are abusing them?

I have found my people…. Since when did prostitution become a lifestyle choice? No sane parent would be happy for their child to sell sex. I would be absolutely devastated if any of my children, son and daughter, had meaningless sex let alone if they were paid for it. Just no.

This is about protecting vulnerable people who are often young, addicts and/or have been trafficked. It’s awful the Uk does nothing to clamp down on this. The police turn a blind eye.

There are many complex psychosocial, economic & health/wellbeing factors that lead people into prostitution. The women prostitutes in Edinburgh are largely drug addicted and controlled by a male pimp. These women end up in prison. As children many of these women were abused and care experienced. It seems easy to look on and suggest there is anything like genuine or real choice involved. I'm sure Only F site is populated by addicts being pimped to, like 'cam-girls' we're. Unfortunately for the younger people of today social media and huge push on lip fillers etc has created a false feeling that OF is just another glamorous extension to Instagram where they are all free and consenting. This is why drugs are given out on porn film sets, create a dependency and reinforce the bond with pimp. There's nothing truly free about any of it and rich non oppressed mostly male users know what they are buying into.

"tuition fees"?

It does indeed. I've seen police officers working very hard to get help from social services to get these children removed. It does happen but it wasn't unusual to see the kids coming back at 16. It is amazing how kids will forgive.

I don't agree the police turn a blind eye, I worked with a dedicated team who were often at risk themselves. After one big undercover operation when we were waiting for a court date I had threats against my children and they had to have a police escort to and from school for a time. I wasn't even an officer.

This also illustrates the ideological thinking on mumsnet

if we agree broadly with the political leanings and personally approve of the person that the behaviour doesn’t matter no matter how poor it is and that also

identify matters more that behaviour it’s apparent hue is a homosexual and has MH issues

should that give him a free pass well according to many on here yes

some even saying the sun and conservative dreamt this up so they could shut down the bbc

I think it’s very telling

prostitution is bad if your not willing to recommend it for your own daughter your being dishonest

the bbc doesn’t need the conservatives to conspire it misuse the public purse
it’s programming caters for only certain demographics it’s should cater for everyone and it’s not neutral better to be open about presenters bias and then we can judge the reporting accordingly

the age of consent is 16 diddling a 16 makes you a creep not a pedo

and people who are homosexual who marry women with out first being open are time wasters and fraudulent in my own vie you should be able to get your marriage aunlled

Maybe they don't. But a lot of people (women and men) in the wider sex industry do have choices and chose to do things like only fans, or phone sex, or strip because the money is good, or the hours suit them.
I might not admire their choice but I'm not sure how big a step society should take to dictate to people how they should live their lives - even to protect them from themselves.

Would you prefer it if the young person in this instance funded their habit (if this claim is true) by robbing people? Would they still be a victim then?

Fuck off.

I cared very much when my ex was spending money on this kind of shit.
And I highly doubt women are a large segment of people buying explicit images online.

This is a male behaviour, it's icky as fuck and lots of feminists care deeply about it because of the knock on harms to women and girls of a culture where sex is seen as a commodity that men can buy or take at will.

I'm utterly against prostitution but it's called the worlds oldest profession for a reason. How exactly could it be stopped?

But women are a large segment of people producing images for online sale. Do you think they should be prevented from doing this? Criminalised? Publicly shamed?

@DisquietintheRanks " Do you think they should be prevented from doing this? Criminalised? Publicly shamed?"
They shouldn't be. But the people doing the buying should certainly be criminalised.

The men and the women* who are trying to justify OF doth protest too much, methinks

*NAMALT
** OF might look like a relatively carefree way of earning money off sleazy idiots initially but no one gets off scotfree in the long run.

No the punters and buyers should be. As well as the platforms themselves if they are allowing underage people on there. Adultworks age verification is a joke. No punters, no market.

Could you try that again? In English preferably, and with a cogent argument that isn't just a thinly veiled attempt to start yet another thread on the same issue that has been rehearsed to death already? You could try fact checking your allegations again as well, because, as has already been shown, the allegations made by the parent(s) / the Sun appear to be thin on verifiable facts.

Just because some people would like to base their opinions on facts, or on reasoned discussion rather than mob mentality does not naturally lead to support for prostitution, sex work or illegal conduct. Rants do not facts make.

And perhaps if we lived in a society where drug addictions, abuse and poverty did not drive people to make choices that they perhaps wouldn't wish to make, then we could have a more informed debate about the place that sex work may or may not have. If you are so against sex work, what are you personally doing to create that society? Or are your actions simply about judging others from your moral highground?

What I find strange is the fact that every paper and magazine you pick up has a story about someone who has made a fortune from Onlyfans and the like, presenting it as a success story, yet the same rags are vilifying the 'customers', who make it all possible. Its such a double standard. Fwiw i am absolutely against men buying consent in any make shape or form, and I know that the young person in this case was only 17 at the time, but I just think the hypocrisy is staggering.

It's all BS when you look into those stories as well. Well known celebs might make good money on OF (at considerable cost to their image) but anyone else has to do increasingly extreme and unpleasant things on there to make anything near a good income. Might be the odd student making extra spending money and people like Kerry Katona and Daniella Westbrook eking out an existence at the end of a damaging media career - but would any man or woman want their daughters ending up like that? I don't think so.

@Iwasafool To be very clear, when I talk about the police turning a blind eye to prostitution, I’m talking about how prostitution is now accepted as ‘normal’ by the police in the north west of the Uk and it’s not prosecuted. You have houses which are run by a third party, and it’s quite open. It’s shocking to me that this isn’t prosecuted and the people publicly humiliated for exploiting vulnerable people.

As for social services, it’s very underfunded and it’s not the police’s job to remove children from a family.

All of this points to a massive breakdown in British society. Where did it go wrong and how do we correct the path?

We correct it by setting moral standards

1.buying sexual pictures is grim and mental health is not an excuse

2.knowingly marrying a women when you know your a homosexual is wrong your able to just be single if you don’t want people to know your gay

there we have two things we can start with saying

It's not really clear how moral standards would help. We all have moral standards. They're mainly different.

If you want to get rid of porn (I certainly do not btw) then you need to legislate against it, not use intrusions into privacy (which are themselves unlawful) to punish people who do not agree with your moral code.

I’m talking about how prostitution is now accepted as ‘normal’ by the police in the north west of the Uk and it’s not prosecuted

Prostitution is not illegal in the Great Britain (the law is different in NI), so they would have difficulty prosecutig it (it's the CPS that prosecute anyway, and it's still not illegal). Certain activities associated with it such as "soliciting in a public place", "controlling a prostitute for gain", or "keeping a brothel". In terms of soliciting, the offence noramall carries fine, which, if they had the money to pay the fines, they probably wouldn't be soliciting, so they go back to soliciting to pay the fines - or, as often happens, they wrack up enough fines to get jailed for non-payment of fines.

Legislating to ban sex work or pornography will work as well as all other such bans - it's done so well with drugs, hasn't it? And prohibition was a huge success in the USA? In dry areas of India, secret bars do a roaring trade.... All illegality does is drive these trades even more into the hands of criminals and traffickers. It will not work. Which is why we need to have an intelligent conversation in this country which is not driven by the moral standards of those who would never enter or use such trades, but by the reality of the social circumstances of those who are driven to such measures. You will never eliminate the trade, but you can minimise the harm it does, and work to ensure that nobody is forced into it by circumstances or other people.

The issue really is not necessarily women condoning prostitution, it's that men continue to use prostituted women. Men need to step up in so many ways. We won't make progress until men change their behaviour.

If men chose to, they could end prostitution tomorrow.

Yes they shouldn’t be different we should all agree that buying people for sex is wrong

they will shame and blame people for voting brexit

but buy a young person for sex
what a prude your being 🤷🏿‍♂️people’s outrage is all wrong

I'm not in the north west so I don't know their priorities. I can only speak for the force I worked for and the officers I worked with.

I don't know how you stop it, you can do certain things like crackdowns on street prostitution but it takes a massive amount of police time and where I worked that just meant the women moved areas. Where you have women with limited opportunities, little money and children to feed/house etc it will always happen.

Personally I would put the resources into dealing with the traffickers and pimps first but who knows what would work.