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Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 01:16

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:08

Who am I hurting. I do not know what person you are referring to because we're 25 pages in here. Take... a... hint...

And the fact that i was asking you every post to answer the questions and other people were asking you answer my questions should have been a MASSIVE clue as to who you may have upset more than anyone else on the thread.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:16

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:08

Who am I hurting. I do not know what person you are referring to because we're 25 pages in here. Take... a... hint...

Well I have directly suggested you apologise to Boiled numerous times.

You spoke over Boiled. You posted a list of female sex offenders as if it meant something to a child sex abuse victim. One who had told you she was a victim.

You only now admit you made a mistake. I don’t really believe it, but whatever at least you seem to understand the gravity of the words you spoke all those pages ago.

But in your constant state of doubling down, you dismissed Boiled. Why the fuck do you think she has been asking you questions? Did you even bother reading them?

Have you perhaps learned tonight that you are narrow minded in your own views, while hypothetically calling everyone else narrow minded?

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:19

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 01:15

Too arrogant to admit to a mistake and that she was clueless about minimising child sex abuse.

If you are immersed in porn and identity it's all sex positive isn't it, no boundaries needed. I doubt she would say it to her grandma though.

Yes. I suspect that her grandma would be appalled at this reaction. I also suspect grandma would absolutely be supporting segregation by sex of toilets.

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:19

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:16

Well I have directly suggested you apologise to Boiled numerous times.

You spoke over Boiled. You posted a list of female sex offenders as if it meant something to a child sex abuse victim. One who had told you she was a victim.

You only now admit you made a mistake. I don’t really believe it, but whatever at least you seem to understand the gravity of the words you spoke all those pages ago.

But in your constant state of doubling down, you dismissed Boiled. Why the fuck do you think she has been asking you questions? Did you even bother reading them?

Have you perhaps learned tonight that you are narrow minded in your own views, while hypothetically calling everyone else narrow minded?

I think none of you have listened to a word i've said and that's testament to having to repeat myself 5 > 6 times with the same canned response. I don't know what your trying to prove here.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:20

hypothetically is hypocritically.

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:21

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:19

Yes. I suspect that her grandma would be appalled at this reaction. I also suspect grandma would absolutely be supporting segregation by sex of toilets.

I suggest you don't make assumptions about what my grandma would say thanks and she wouldn't you have no idea what my grandmas views where so don't try to extrapolate nothing from nothing

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:21

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:19

I think none of you have listened to a word i've said and that's testament to having to repeat myself 5 > 6 times with the same canned response. I don't know what your trying to prove here.

You haven’t apologised.

You have no moral high ground here. You can keep deflecting all you want. You haven’t apologised.

MavisMcMinty · 06/07/2023 01:22

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:07

If it's such a roaring question i'll answer it tomorrow. It's 1am right now and I need to sleep. If it's really urgent u can send a DM or something if i'm not banned for disagreeing with you all. I guess we'll see if swearing is allowed or censored

If anyone reports your posts, they could get deleted if MNHQ agrees they break the rules of conduct. If lots of your posts get reported and deleted, you could be banned, and I suspect that must be what you want to happen from your goady, victimy remarks here.

Such larks! Thinking you could get the better of those “stupid” women on Mumsnet, and merely showing yourself to be immature and wilfully misinformed.

You called the filmed rape and abuse of children “child pornography”. A poster told you she had been that child, and it is NOT “child pornography”. You totally ignored her, yet managed to make dozens of trite, angry, nonsensical replies to lots of other people, while ignoring REPEATED requests for an answer and an apology from both the affected poster and some of the rest of us. When you finally condescended to reply you were appalling, hostile, rude and dismissive. We SEE you. You have shown yourself and we have seen.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:22

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:21

I suggest you don't make assumptions about what my grandma would say thanks and she wouldn't you have no idea what my grandmas views where so don't try to extrapolate nothing from nothing

You haven’t apologised. I suspect most grandmas would know when to do that.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 06/07/2023 01:22

@evieowlette

Have you ever heard that if you meet one arsehole, you've met an arsehole - but if you keep meeting them then maybe you're the arsehole?

And in a similar vein, if not a single person agrees with you, and can counter every single argument you have then maybe it's not you that's right?

Might be something to consider.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 01:23

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:14

You really wont shutup until i answer this will you. Fine.

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography? Yes. I've already said this 5 times now, maybe 6 who's counting.

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?
Yes, Dyslexia. It was not intentional.

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?
Yes. I've already said these images can be permanent on the internet and it's disgusting and children have to live with that. I can't imagine how bad it must be.

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to? Yes. This seems like a common sense answer. Why did you give it to me as a question. Am I meant to say no?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?
As I said before I don't know what happens in the videos. I am not a cop, I am not an investigator. In-fact I would be more concerned if someone did know specifics unless they where the victim.

Thank you. The sarky bits in your answers aren't necessary though.

And on the last question I as a victim and someone with a lot of knowledge in this particular area ask you to take my word for it if you can't stomachs doing some internet searching that some or all of those things happen to the children in the images.

The buying and selling or passing on of child sexual abuse images is not the victimless crime you made it out to be earlier today. And whilst you may have dyslexia and that makes life harder there is no reason for you to ever make the mistake of referring to child sexual abuse images as child pornography ever again is there? Because that is so incredibly insulting to the children in those photos.

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 01:24

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:21

I suggest you don't make assumptions about what my grandma would say thanks and she wouldn't you have no idea what my grandmas views where so don't try to extrapolate nothing from nothing

You make unfounded assumptions in every one of your posts.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:25

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:21

I suggest you don't make assumptions about what my grandma would say thanks and she wouldn't you have no idea what my grandmas views where so don't try to extrapolate nothing from nothing

Oh dear… as I am old enough to be a grandma myself, I think actually I understand the needs of a grandma. I also have had a few and a very elderly mother. All of which needed care and needed their dignity away from males.

I think I have a pretty good idea what elderly women need by way of dignity and privacy.

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 01:26

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 06/07/2023 01:22

@evieowlette

Have you ever heard that if you meet one arsehole, you've met an arsehole - but if you keep meeting them then maybe you're the arsehole?

And in a similar vein, if not a single person agrees with you, and can counter every single argument you have then maybe it's not you that's right?

Might be something to consider.

She said ages ago that every feminist place in the internet is like this too

Sooner or later she's going to realise it's her!

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 01:26

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:21

You haven’t apologised.

You have no moral high ground here. You can keep deflecting all you want. You haven’t apologised.

Oh no there was no apology but at least she answered the questions. Finally!

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:27

If anyone reports your posts, they could get deleted if MNHQ agrees they break the rules of conduct. If lots of your posts get reported and deleted
Does that really matter. You all have your fingers in your ears anyway.

“stupid” women on Mumsnet
I don't think you're stupid despite what I say or how I may come across. I think close minded is a better word

You called the filmed rape and abuse of children “child pornography”. A poster told you she had been that child, and it is NOT “child pornography”
I did not see that post for a good few pages until I was reminded about 3 times to apologise for it at which point I explained I made a mistake due to my dyslexia and thought maybe too willingly that might be the end of it.

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:29

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 01:26

She said ages ago that every feminist place in the internet is like this too

Sooner or later she's going to realise it's her!

No its just when one person has a different opinion and I think must be 20+ now don't agree with most of what you have to say you get hounded.

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:30

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:29

No its just when one person has a different opinion and I think must be 20+ now don't agree with most of what you have to say you get hounded.

Since when has being write or wrong had anything to do with following the majority. You should know that yourself's for goodness sake.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 01:31

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:27

If anyone reports your posts, they could get deleted if MNHQ agrees they break the rules of conduct. If lots of your posts get reported and deleted
Does that really matter. You all have your fingers in your ears anyway.

“stupid” women on Mumsnet
I don't think you're stupid despite what I say or how I may come across. I think close minded is a better word

You called the filmed rape and abuse of children “child pornography”. A poster told you she had been that child, and it is NOT “child pornography”
I did not see that post for a good few pages until I was reminded about 3 times to apologise for it at which point I explained I made a mistake due to my dyslexia and thought maybe too willingly that might be the end of it.

You've been given A LOT of leeway on this thread tonight. You are lucky no one has reported you. But honestly id like to see your posts stay up. That way in ten years time you can revisit this thread when you've got young kids and you can cringe at your youthful self!

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 01:33

No wonder people don't want to work with gen z

She's still blaming ignorance on dyslexia.

Telling people who have pointed out her easily disprovable mistakes they have their fingers in their ears!

Calling us closed minded because we know men aren't women!

Cissing away like a good little transmaiden.

SabrinaThwaite · 06/07/2023 01:33

When 20+ women tell you that you are supporting males in transgressing female boundaries, you might be wise in taking a moment to think about the ramifications of that.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 01:33

It's nights like this when I'm actually relieved that I didn't have to bring up children!

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 06/07/2023 01:33

If someone is trying to tell me that a male can be a woman yes I have my fingers in my ears. It's due to that stupid thing known as science.

Men are men
women are women
transwomen are transwomen
transmen are transmen

Single sex spaces are single sex, transwomen are male, if they are not happy in the mens they need to sort out a 3rd space, womens are taken by and for women.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 01:36

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:19

I think none of you have listened to a word i've said and that's testament to having to repeat myself 5 > 6 times with the same canned response. I don't know what your trying to prove here.

I believe you called this forum board an absolute cesspool. And that we lacked critical thinking.

We have listened to you, and we disagree on centring males in our efforts to protect women.

We have listened to you, and we disagree with medicalising children and teenagers. Because they are our children and teenagers and loved one that you are talking so dismissively about.

We have listened to you and we don’t think you understand at all what the realities of the needs of women and children. You dismissively said ‘JKR and women’s aid have it sorted- move on, the women in the UK have all the need. Let’s focus on something else’.

No. We have listened. What we have not done is agreed with you because you are wrong. And you cannot admit when you are wrong as we have just seen. Instead you deflect and you tell everyone off.

But hey, you are ‘educating’ us something good!

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 01:36

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 01:29

No its just when one person has a different opinion and I think must be 20+ now don't agree with most of what you have to say you get hounded.

They aren't your opinions though, you just regurgitate the trans myths you have memorised and insult people who point this out.

We get a few of you a week, universities are churning them out!

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