Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

Show me the study that says blockers are reversible.

Even the NHS no longer says this.

I’ve been caught out once before.
So we live and learn and pass it on.

Ok quick thought experiment. Lets break this down. Say a new law is introduced which means Transgender Women have to go into the male bathrooms regardless even after possible GRS, 2 years to prove they are living as there desired gender.

When a Trans woman doesn't pass and walks into a women's restroom, she gets kicked out. A passing trans man walks into the women's restroom. What happens then? He gets kicked out. He declares that he isn't allowed to go to the women's bathroom. Now consider the fact that it's going to in some cases become indistinguishable whether a trans man or a cis man has entered the bathroom.
By doing this you also put passing Transgender Women at incredible risk of sexual assault going into male bathrooms.

Now consider what option actually works in this scenario for everyones safety. Gender neutral toilets and changing rooms. Nobody is advocating for bathrooms to be segregated by sex. This is how it is currently and it's going to break down quickly as more people come out as trans.

By doing this you also put passing Transgender Women at incredible risk of sexual assault going into male bathrooms.

Not women's problem to solve. Transwomen are men they can go where they like except the women's. And by letting that transwoman into the women's toilet you also have to let all the male predators in as well as we don't know which are which so even if you let the transwomen in the scary men from the gents can come in as well.

Ah shit, I didn't know. I dont remember the username.

Well anyway the lurkers have something to read.

People say shit like that, you can really see the dollar signs pop up in their eyes, cartoon style.

so @evieowlette you are advocating for every public restroom in the western world to be deemed gender neutral to protect the minute % of human beings who id as trans?

What might that cost businesses and govts?

I assume you've been reading the stories about girls at school and how they've been responding to the social engineering experiment being foisted upon them, and what many of them have experienced in recent years?

Indeed. I think most countries have changed the information to say they are not reversible. Or at least it cannot be said they are reversible, depending on the weasel words used.

The red hair was a wig. That's why the tall one hasn't been found. The police need to be looking for a particularly tall person who wears wigs. Probably someone who is quite strong too. They might want to check this person's internet history when they catch the person too.

No doubt the internet history will also lead them to the slightly less tall person.

I feel so bad for the child though. I hope he has a very strong network around him. And that the police aren't fecking around with his use of language.

You realise Transgender Women are people as well right? Who face similar if not higher levels of discrimination and risk of assault. Look it up if you don't believe me.

By doing this you also put passing Transgender Women at incredible risk of sexual assault going into male bathrooms.

For the love of God will people stop posting this nonsense!

I am telling you now what happens in mens toilets if a man see someone that looks like a woman.

Bloke looks round nervously and checks that he is in the right toilet.
If he is - he will do one of two things:

1. Just carry on as normal while trying to avoid any eye contact with the other person
2. Say something like, 'alright love, I think the ladies is next door', then carry on as normal.

The idea that trans women will get attacked if they go into a mens toilet is a complete fabrication.

In mens toilets, you do not talk to anyone else. You do not make eye contact. You do not engage in any way. You do your thing, then leave.

Puberty blockers are not reversible. A boy at 17 who has taken blockers ten stops doesn’t develop a normal size penis. It’s too late.

Transwomen are people yes but also they ARE MEN. And I don't believe you no.

I suppose this is one way to derail a thread 🙄

I suppose this is one way to derail a thread

Yep. Big old squirrel to stop us talking about the actual subject at hand.

Oh, your American. Well that explains a lot.

As for trans women potentially being hurt in the mens room? That's for men to sort out.

It is not the birth right of women to sacrifice because male people matter more than they do, and their feelings and issues are always a woman's job to fix. No. Women's spaces need to be meeting the job of women, not men with difficulties.

If men are not safe in men's spaces then campaign for third spaces, but the evidence from many many transwomen is nothing to do with safety, it's to do with wanting to be with women, whether those women consent or not. And there's nothing ok or right about that, it's an awful way to treat women.

No. Just the UK and not even close to every bathroom. Just more. Even a tiny amount more.
It will cost businesses and govt's a fraction because surprisingly enough you don't need a full size bathroom. Or retrofit existing bathrooms to be gender neutral and save money by putting in proper lockable bathroom stalls instead of the weak flimsy locks we have currently.

You realise men can just walk into women's bathrooms right regardless as well? It doesn't matter if don't look the part

Here is a thought experiment!

While changing that law, LGBT lobby group’s campaign heavily so that male people accept gender non conforming males into their spaces again. As they should have done decades ago!

Then every male person knows that if they cannot tell the person is a male (considering 90% of transitioned males still have a penis!), they will assume that no woman will be so disrespectful as to enter a male toilet and therefore they know that this person is MALE too. Just like them! And using a urinal will probably allay that concern that this is a woman anyway, you know since 90% have a penis.

No female is a human shield to protect vulnerable males.

Here is another thought experiment- which other vulnerable male who feels vulnerable using a male toilet should we let use female toilets?

Do you understand that we have done all the thought experiments? Do you actually think you have arrived on this forum to educate us with something new?

It wouldn't be the FWR board without a daily derail now would it

you have to prove you have lived as a woman which is very difficult if you don't look like one even in the slightest.

It doesn't matter what you look like. That's not part of the requirement to 'live as' the opposite sex.

You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.
Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

• a name
• a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
• a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

There are no other specific requirements for this evidence

https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/what-documents-you-need

All you have to do to prove that you're 'living as' the opposite sex is a few documents that use your chosen title and name which reflect your chosen 'gender'. There are absolutely no requirements about appearance. A bloke with a beard who has 'Miss' on his utility bills 'living as a woman' for this purpose.

You realise men can just walk into women's bathrooms right regardless as well? It doesn't matter if don't look the part

Ooh anyone else playing illogical trans activist bingo tonight?

I'm getting close to a win.

Not to mention, any event of a TW actually experiencing assault in a men's single sex space would be weaponised to the nth degree by the political lobby and everyone would know their name. It would be an incredibly useful lever to pry women's rights away.

The victims of the TW who have used women's spaces to offend? Oddly we know the name of the TW involved but none of the women, one of whom at least suffered lifechanging injuries in the course of the TW expressing themselves in a women's single sex space. My concern and compassion is for them, and the women not privileged enough to be able to use mixed sex spaces regardless of how the person of the opposite sex chooses to identify. They are expected to sacrifice any access to anything so that men can have freedom of choice and demand to be allowed to use women as a human shield.

You can only prop all this up if you fundamentally believe that a male human is a more valuable, important human than a female one. Which is male supremacism. And really demonstrates that you do not believe that TW are in fact women: you provide them with a degree of compassion, care and concern that you don't see actual women as deserving of. You are merely saying what you know those male people wish you to say while affording them the male privilege you see as their entitlement and expressing anger towards women who will not serve as you see their birthright as being.

I'm not a support human. I won't do it. Nor will I sentence other women to less so that men can have more. I think that's a bloody awful, inhumane thing to do.

Gosh! geez! Do you think we haven’t been told that now for years that men can just walk into female toilets now and attack us if they want?

No shit Sherlock! We know.

Yet… why is it again that transitioned males feel safer in there? Surely they must feel the fear that any other male can also just walk in there!

Do you also understand female people need privacy away from all male eyes? Have you ever once given that a thought? Or have you been lucky enough to only use the toilet to urinate and defecate? Shall we tell you all the other uses for the public toilet that we want to do away from any male?

Shouldnt be too long now til bingo.

Ffs, coming here, thinking we haven't done our homework for the last 20 years.

Sigh