Horrible news story

[MumblesParty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

@GrinAndVomit The physical changes are reversible. Mental is debated obviously due to delayed puberty but it has a very high success rate. Long term effects are still being studied simply because we don't have enough evidence yet. This should be available soon but wont be if puberty blockers are banned outright. Your argument will be don't experiment on kids but in this scenario I don't think u can see how the benefits far outweigh the relatively low risks.
I do agree a better method is to see what happens in other countries first and this might be the plan the NHS takes soon as an extra precaution

Some of your comments on this thread have been dangerously ill informed - from your appalling comments about images of child sex abuse and now spreading disinformation about puberty blockers in relation to children.
Posters on here are well informed - especially about poor treatment of children & safeguarding and have limited tolerance for deliberate misinformation.

Please take more care before lecturing others.

What benefits? The whole issue is their mental health is it not?
You give them the drugs because otherwise their mental health will suffer but also, the long term mental health effects don’t matter?

Which is it?

Sorry - that was @evieowlette

I'm not saying that, but if the perpertrators have been incorrectly sexed, then who is to say the victim hasn't been too? Especially if they are all of the same LGBTQ+ community?

Transwomen actually have a proportionally higher rate of sexual assault than men.

Yes I read the same information you read. The age for gender affirming hormones has changed it seems to 17 at it's earlier not 18 but I'm confused what difference a year makes in this scenario

Again - that's untrue. As Cass points out, "the clinical approach and overall service design has not been subjected to some of the normal quality controls that are typically applied when new or innovative treatments are introduced."

https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/

Jordan One Take 4 Basketball Shoes in pink come in sizes up to 16.

https://www.nike.com/gb/t/jordan-one-take-4-basketball-shoes-n6nzpd/DO7193-104?nikegos=true&cp=euns_AD_PI_F3D_CMP_UK_BAU_XCT_SHOP_REV_U_DO7193-104&cp=47658763634_search_%7c%7c10628703748%7c110516033008%7c%7cm%7cEN%7ccssproducts%7c453317343290_GEOZ&ds_rl=1252249&gclid=CjwKCAjwqZSlBhBwEiwAfoZUIBHdxufG67PgXjv5Q3dfZyBw5m2XlF4tkgiDP9clw0CkIpT_6MYeghoCpo8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Honestly just look up the type of offenders who commit these crimes. Really look, not just skim, look at this evidence and decide for yourself because i've spent time looking myself today and nearly all offenders committed a sexual offence as a man and later transitioned in prison or after being released. Look at the freedom of information request Kathleen Scott uses and see that all of the statistics she used are on "Transgender PEOPLE", not Trans Women, people. Then consider that these "people" haven't even had enough time get to get a gender change marker to change genders and some may never do that anyway. It is male predators.

@evieowlette info
for everyone here who is not aware
evieowlette is always on threads that have anything to do with trans issues.
constantly posting inaccurate information and non related articles
and constantly going on and on about their beliefs wearing everyone out

its not worth it @MrsOvertonsWindow and others.

Ah yes @Chersfrozenface that makes sense, I suppose female basketball players are among the tallest women out there. But not a shoe size that gets sold a lot I'd imagine!

Fuck! More misinformation. You are like a continuous misinformation source.

If I were you, I would go and review not only bone density studies that have already been done and confirm that bone density is an issue.

But please go and look up the side effects for Lupron. The negative side effects on a female body of puberty blockers is significant. And mostly mid to long term. Women know about Lupron which is one of the drugs used.

And of course, you do realise that most patients in the UK go then onto cross sex hormones.

Can you tell us how a male who has been on puberty blockers and then estrogen ever develops a mature male penis ? What about sperm?

Even the gender clinicians admit that that penis will not grow.

Again, you are speaking bollocks and while you seem to be doing it very confidently, you are wrong.

@GlucklicheTage thank you, you've just saved me getting into a pointless argument about the need for gender markers

Someone very close to me is male, 6 foot 2 and size 8 feet! They don't always correlate.

I just arrived thinking threads here would have useful discussions about Feminism but it turns out it's an absolute cess pit and gradually i've found it harder not to get frustrated at everyones lack of any critical thinking skills. It's embarrassing. Good luck i'm done

Thank you GlucklicheTage.

This board is fairly used to posters who spread misinformation. It's particularly offensive when it relates to children but that's good advice.

My post wasn't clear. I was agreeing and saying that I don't understand the BBCs ' motivation for calling them women and not even trans women (as it will likely turn out to be that they are either men are trans women). As you say I can't see how it can be construed as anything but goading and hoping to cause outcry and vilification of trans women.

Fuck! More misinformation!!

Mate, you are on the board specifically set up to discuss these very issues! This is the board to discuss ‘sex and gender’!! You know, where there are conflicts between males demanding access to the rights of female people- those with a female sexed body!

They're in the Men's section on the Nike site.

https://www.nike.com/gb/w/mens-jordan-shoes-37eefznik1zy7ok

It is male predators.

Well this is what happens when you let anyone 'identify' as a woman. You said earlier that you would call a transwoman a woman because you consider that in many ways they are one. In what ways does a 'genuine' transwoman differ from a 'fake' one? They are both pretending to be a woman, regardless of how long they've been doing so, how convincing they seem, what drugs they've taken, what body parts they've had tweaked and what documentation they have. At what stage would you call them a woman?

@evieowlette you want the Feminism: Chat section. This is Sex and Gender, which was hived off specifically for those topics...

I swear i've already mentioned i'm not Trans. Might as well talk to a wall at this point

Thank you I will gladly fuck off. Adios

i've found it harder not to get frustrated at everyones lack of any critical thinking skills

Oh the irony!