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Fairislefandango · 05/07/2023 19:49

Its a simple, easy descriptor.

Calling women 'non-men' is pretty simple too, but similarly unnecessary.

PigletJohn · 05/07/2023 19:50

According to the Sussex Police website, "boy reported being sexually assaulted by two women in Burgess Hill"

Assuming that this is true, and is what he actually told them.

Florissante · 05/07/2023 19:51

Awwwwooooga · 05/07/2023 19:46

Not RTFT but having worked with young people who have been sexually assaulted, sometimes they feel undeserved shame if they are assaulted by someone of the same sex (if they are heterosexual). There is a possibility that he was too embarrassed to identify that he was attacked by males and felt it easier to say they were females

Females with penises? How novel.

Florissante · 05/07/2023 19:52

NotHavingIt · 05/07/2023 19:01

Perhaps the victim is also a member of the trans community and is thus abiding by the rules of pronouns?

Are you saying the victim is female? That's a real stretch.

gemstoneju · 05/07/2023 19:53

Awwwwooooga · 05/07/2023 19:46

Not RTFT but having worked with young people who have been sexually assaulted, sometimes they feel undeserved shame if they are assaulted by someone of the same sex (if they are heterosexual). There is a possibility that he was too embarrassed to identify that he was attacked by males and felt it easier to say they were females

If he had a head injury and was unconscious for a while, his recollection may have been affected. He may just have been unsure of exactly who attacked him but is going by the visual cues of dress, pink stuff, long hair etc. I wonder how bad his injuries were when I see that this is only being reported now, a month later.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 19:54

justteanbiscuits · 05/07/2023 16:30

Sorry - no, I didn't think about the pronouns on badges. I don't wear a badge so, sorry, I didn't think about it. But my friends are OK with using a persons preferred pronouns, yes. They're fine with sharing spaces with trans women. There are no kids having gender changes without parents knowing. There are simply no kids under going gender reassignment surgery in the UK.

Sport is a very very different issue. I support there being male, female and open categories - but this is mainly as it would be impossible to, for example, test testosterone levels in grassroots sport.

So if by some random chance you or your very chill female friends ended up in prison or a rape crisis shelter or even in a homeless shelter, you'd all be chill sharing with men?

Children here in the UK are not having gender reassignment surgery, but they are on puberty blockers that leave them the wrong side of puberty (childlike) and then cross sex hormones which makes many sterile. Without the parents knowing. Your ok with girls using testosterone which affects the female reproductive areas so badly they have to be removed, your ok with girls on testosterone growing permanent facial hair even if they detransition.

And then we get to sport and your views make you transphobic.
Make it make sense.

DeanElderberry · 05/07/2023 19:54

Describing everyone concerned as 'people' at this stage would be accurate and could hasten the identification of the criminals. Once they've been charged they can be described in more detail. At the trial - I dunno, in Ireland info that would be identifiable wouldn't be released without the victim's permission, but I think it's different in the UK.

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 19:56

@Ourladycheesusedatum What kind of transition are you talking about? Just a gender marker change because that takes 2 years minimum and you have to prove you have lived as a woman which is very difficult if you don't look like one even in the slightest.

If you mean a biological transition using HRT the minimum appointment time is Nottingham's GIC which is 2 years for an appointment unless u live in Wales or Scotland but this is pretty much a lie if you look into it properly. Other clinics range from 2 years to 6+. Or you can go the fun sketchy route most Transgender people have to and order DIY online using cryptocurrency for about £50 a vial and free injection supplies from a needle swap centre. Oh but you don't get blood tests so pay for them yourself and if something goes wrong, good luck

GrinAndVomit · 05/07/2023 19:57

If this does turn out to be two males, the victim has been violated further by the police and they have put the public in unnecessary danger.

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/07/2023 19:58

What a conundrum for Sussex police. 🙄

CliantheLang · 05/07/2023 19:58

Florissante · 05/07/2023 19:52

Are you saying the victim is female? That's a real stretch.

Why is it a stretch? If the victim is a girl who says she's a boy, then the police and media will call her a boy.

Anything's possible when it comes to gender woo.

Phobiaphobic · 05/07/2023 19:59

Women my arse.

IncessantNameChanger · 05/07/2023 20:00

I no longer tell my kids to find a woman if they get lost. I now say a mummy with kids, but my kids know a man in dress whrn see one. My daughter says "why is that man wearing a dress?" But she is 8

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/07/2023 20:01

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 19:56

@Ourladycheesusedatum What kind of transition are you talking about? Just a gender marker change because that takes 2 years minimum and you have to prove you have lived as a woman which is very difficult if you don't look like one even in the slightest.

If you mean a biological transition using HRT the minimum appointment time is Nottingham's GIC which is 2 years for an appointment unless u live in Wales or Scotland but this is pretty much a lie if you look into it properly. Other clinics range from 2 years to 6+. Or you can go the fun sketchy route most Transgender people have to and order DIY online using cryptocurrency for about £50 a vial and free injection supplies from a needle swap centre. Oh but you don't get blood tests so pay for them yourself and if something goes wrong, good luck

HRT is for biological females. Transwomen take cross sex hormones at a much higher level than women. I think up to 3 times the amount of estrogen.

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 20:02

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 19:54

So if by some random chance you or your very chill female friends ended up in prison or a rape crisis shelter or even in a homeless shelter, you'd all be chill sharing with men?

Children here in the UK are not having gender reassignment surgery, but they are on puberty blockers that leave them the wrong side of puberty (childlike) and then cross sex hormones which makes many sterile. Without the parents knowing. Your ok with girls using testosterone which affects the female reproductive areas so badly they have to be removed, your ok with girls on testosterone growing permanent facial hair even if they detransition.

And then we get to sport and your views make you transphobic.
Make it make sense.

Please stop spreading miss-information. Children are not and should not be given anything other than puberty blockers until they are 18. Anyone giving surgeries to Trans children or other HRT products are doing so illegally. Puberty blockers are reversible so the only issue is the delay caused by puberty blockers which isn't insignificant but is no where near as bad as it's made out to be.

ZeldaFighter · 05/07/2023 20:02

Found this on Facebook:

A lesson in logical inference for our police and the BBC.
It is being reported that a 15 year old boy was sexually assaulted by two "women" and left naked.
One of the perpetrators was said to be 6ft 3 in and the other was 5ft 9 in.
Less that 5% of sexual perpetrators are women.
Around 6% of women are 5ft 9 in or over. less than 0.1% of women are 6ft 3in.
So what are the odds those are two women?

Chance the 6ft 3 in one was a woman?
0.05 x 0.001 = 0.00005
Chance that 5ft 9 in one was a woman
0.05 x 0.06 = 0.003

So percentage chance the 6ft 3in one was a woman = less than 0.005%
Chance the 5ft 9 in one was a woman
0.3%

Chance that both were women
0.003 X 0.00005 = 1.5E-7 which is 0.000015%.

I will offer one thousand to one to anyone who wants to bet both of these perpetrators were women.

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 20:04

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/07/2023 20:01

HRT is for biological females. Transwomen take cross sex hormones at a much higher level than women. I think up to 3 times the amount of estrogen.

And it is not a process of replacing hormones previously produced naturally by the patient's body.

So not Hormone Replacement Therapy.

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 20:05

ZeldaFighter · 05/07/2023 20:02

Found this on Facebook:

A lesson in logical inference for our police and the BBC.
It is being reported that a 15 year old boy was sexually assaulted by two "women" and left naked.
One of the perpetrators was said to be 6ft 3 in and the other was 5ft 9 in.
Less that 5% of sexual perpetrators are women.
Around 6% of women are 5ft 9 in or over. less than 0.1% of women are 6ft 3in.
So what are the odds those are two women?

Chance the 6ft 3 in one was a woman?
0.05 x 0.001 = 0.00005
Chance that 5ft 9 in one was a woman
0.05 x 0.06 = 0.003

So percentage chance the 6ft 3in one was a woman = less than 0.005%
Chance the 5ft 9 in one was a woman
0.3%

Chance that both were women
0.003 X 0.00005 = 1.5E-7 which is 0.000015%.

I will offer one thousand to one to anyone who wants to bet both of these perpetrators were women.

Yes because height measurements from a teenager are going to be accurate to the point of inches

GrinAndVomit · 05/07/2023 20:05

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 20:02

Please stop spreading miss-information. Children are not and should not be given anything other than puberty blockers until they are 18. Anyone giving surgeries to Trans children or other HRT products are doing so illegally. Puberty blockers are reversible so the only issue is the delay caused by puberty blockers which isn't insignificant but is no where near as bad as it's made out to be.

Puberty blockers are reversible

Not according to NHS

gemstoneju · 05/07/2023 20:06

One thing that puzzles me about this story is that the 6'3 'woman' is said to have been wearing 'pink Air Jordan trainers'. A person of 6'3 is going to have enormous feet, what size do women's trainers go up to, exactly? Or does Nike do a man's trainer in pink? You wouldn't imagine too many pairs get sold in either case. But I'm sure Sussex Police will pursue that avenue diligently. 🙄

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/07/2023 20:08

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 20:02

Please stop spreading miss-information. Children are not and should not be given anything other than puberty blockers until they are 18. Anyone giving surgeries to Trans children or other HRT products are doing so illegally. Puberty blockers are reversible so the only issue is the delay caused by puberty blockers which isn't insignificant but is no where near as bad as it's made out to be.

Puberty blockers are not reversible. Even the captured NHS has been forced to admit that and openly admit that the effects are un researched. Which is why Cass is insisting that children prescribed them can only happen as part of a formal research in order to provide evidence for this current unethical medical experimentation on children.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 05/07/2023 20:09

Poor child. I hope that they remember absolutely nothing, and this information has come from elsewhere, sadly I think that that is not the case.

Boiledbeetle · 05/07/2023 20:09

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 20:02

Please stop spreading miss-information. Children are not and should not be given anything other than puberty blockers until they are 18. Anyone giving surgeries to Trans children or other HRT products are doing so illegally. Puberty blockers are reversible so the only issue is the delay caused by puberty blockers which isn't insignificant but is no where near as bad as it's made out to be.

Unfortunately it's not misinformation. Children in this country can get hold of drugs online including testosterone. And they are doing

And puberty blockers most certainly do do long term harm they are not a pause button.

GrinAndVomit · 05/07/2023 20:10

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 20:02

Please stop spreading miss-information. Children are not and should not be given anything other than puberty blockers until they are 18. Anyone giving surgeries to Trans children or other HRT products are doing so illegally. Puberty blockers are reversible so the only issue is the delay caused by puberty blockers which isn't insignificant but is no where near as bad as it's made out to be.

In fact, much of this post is either wilful misinformation or woefully uninformed

“Puberty blockers and cross-sex hormonesPuberty blockers (gonadotrophin-releasing hormone analogues) pause the physical changes of puberty, such as breast development or facial hair.
Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.
It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.
From the age of 16, teenagers who've been on hormone blockers for at least 12 months may be given cross-sex hormones, also known as gender-affirming hormones.
These hormones cause some irreversible changes, such as:

  • breast development (caused by taking oestrogen)
  • breaking or deepening of the voice (caused by taking testosterone)
Long-term cross-sex hormone treatment may cause temporary or even permanent infertility. However, as cross-sex hormones affect people differently, they should not be considered a reliable form of contraception. There is some uncertainty about the risks of long-term cross-sex hormone treatment.”

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

nhs.uk

Gender dysphoria - Treatment

Treatment for gender dysphoria aims to help people live the way they want to, in their preferred gender identity or as non-binary.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

JudgeAnderson · 05/07/2023 20:10

Puberty blockers have profound permanent effects, if we're going to discuss misinformation.

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