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SideWonder · 05/07/2023 17:33

#NotOurCrimes

TheBitchOfTheVicar · 05/07/2023 17:38

Heliotroper · 05/07/2023 15:16

" A transwoman who admitted having dozens of indecent images of children has been spared jail after magistrates said they took an "unusual" decision."

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23632228.norwich-trans-woman-sentenced-indecent-images/

God, I know this person, and have even shared a group room with them on a hen do. MANY years ago. I didn't know about this though. Sickening

Pearlsaminga · 05/07/2023 17:43

XVII · 05/07/2023 12:51

I read that and instantly thought both perpetrators would have XY chromasomes

AGREE!

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 05/07/2023 17:55

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 15:42

I'm not sure you read this right to be honest. Sex offences by women are incredibly rare. I'm talking about Paedophilia and the owning of sexualised images of minors. There isn't anywhere near as big of a divide here

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Women, or women? As, y'know, you're quite happy to call trans women, women.

LucyWarlowsRightHand · 05/07/2023 17:57

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 05/07/2023 17:55

Women, or women? As, y'know, you're quite happy to call trans women, women.

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Well, quite. Sexual offences by women are becoming more common, correlated with more women having penises 🤷‍♀️

Forwarder · 05/07/2023 18:01

How does The Establishment (BBC, Police, CPS) benefit from destroying our faith in them?

We can't trust a three paragraph crime report.

The poor boy was assualted (or raped?) a whole month ago, giving his attackers plenty of time to get away. Usually a crime like this would be reported quickly while clues are still fresh in the minds of potential witnesses.

Aside from the 6'3" 'woman' the closer to average height 'woman' had VERY long white blond hair. Not a wig then?

The Tories are playing us like a cat with a mouse. And if Labour gets in self ID will be absolute law, with absolute protections within their first term.

LivinDaylights · 05/07/2023 18:12

Poor young lad, just awful. I thought straight away when I read the height this is more likely 2 men, if this is the case it's very wrong that this is being reported like this and that this crime is possibly being recorded incorrectly too.

NotTerfNorCis · 05/07/2023 18:18

Especially when the perps are being sought, it should be a legal requirement for the media and police to report their sex as well as their 'gender identity'. Anything else is a lie that might lead to them not being found.

DeanElderberry · 05/07/2023 18:19

Since we have all that 'pregnant people' guff, maybe the police should, at the very least, describe this truly horrible crime as 'a 15 year old was sexually assaulted by two people, one described as 6'3" with bright red hair, one described as 5'9"'.

Fairislefandango · 05/07/2023 18:27

Thing is I do call Trans Women "Women" and I believe in most ways they are.

What are those ways, please? The justification for a transwoman being a woman seems to be 'because they say they feel they are one'.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 18:37

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 13:43

@BaronessEllarawrosaurus Trans Women (not men disguised as women) rarely attack young boys and the statement that 2 adult women wouldn't be able to make a child unconscious isn't true, even if that is a genuinely horrible thing to think about.

Please do tell, as you seem to know. How do we tell trans women from men disguised as women?

And have you seen the it never happens thread for all the things trans women never do but are reported on almost daily.

Jaxhog · 05/07/2023 18:37

Perhaps what they could have said was that they were described as women by the victim.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 18:45

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 14:21

Maybe this comes back to the issue of self reporting though through eye witness accounts and how they could be in-correctly targeting the wrong person. The only thing is though as mentioned before recognising gender is inherently much easier than height / weight

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Probably already asked but what do you mean by 'gender'
And how would you recognise a demi boi aromantic queer?

CandlelightGlow · 05/07/2023 18:45

I haven't RTFT.

I find it regressive and assumptive to refer to these people as women unless they are by sight, natal women.

Gender identity is already a sensitive topic and I don't see any positive reason at all to label people as trans unless it is something they have confirmed themselves.

Referring to 2 people who have committed SA automatically as trans women let alone just women, well I can't see any motivation for it apart from vitriolic vilification.

Diyextension · 05/07/2023 18:46

How exactly do they know it was 6’3. ? Did someone get the tape measure out ?

Truthlikeness · 05/07/2023 18:48

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 14:28

I knew this is the study you would quote which is interesting to be honest. The study is inherently flawed in every way. If you look at the original freedom of information request they only classed Transgender people as those who hadn't finalised there Gender Recognition Certificate and the policy was pretty close to self ID (So men impersonating women). There is also no distinction between if the perpetrators where Trans Men, Women or Non-binary. Since 2019 the rules have also been changed.

This study is more of an explanation of why Self ID is inherently a bad idea.

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I suspect that was mostly do with the fact the MoJ don't keep records for males with Gender Recognition Certificates housed in the female estate, so there's no way to obtain reliable data or to determine what their conviction was for.

I'm not sure why you say 'There is also no distinction between if the perpetrators where Trans Men, Women or Non-binary' as the report in the link specifically says...

"For the first time we have now obtained sex crime data from the MOJ according to the trans person’s legal sex, their gender identity, or whether they are in a men’s prison or a women’s prison. This means we can draw conclusions regarding the cohort of male-born transgender prisoners specifically."

SabrinaThwaite · 05/07/2023 18:59

Diyextension · 05/07/2023 18:46

How exactly do they know it was 6’3. ? Did someone get the tape measure out ?

Perhaps the victim is 6 foot tall and can tell if someone is 3 inches taller than him or 3 inches shorter?

NotHavingIt · 05/07/2023 19:01

SabrinaThwaite · 05/07/2023 18:59

Perhaps the victim is 6 foot tall and can tell if someone is 3 inches taller than him or 3 inches shorter?

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Perhaps the victim is also a member of the trans community and is thus abiding by the rules of pronouns?

RavingStone · 05/07/2023 19:09

Referring to 2 people who have committed SA automatically as trans women let alone just women, well I can't see any motivation for it apart from vitriolic vilification.

That is not really what is happening. The BBC and Police have referred to them as women, not transwomen. Many people here wonder if they are males due to both those organisations having previous on misogyny and gaslighting and also due to statistical unlikelines of women being that tall and being sexually violent.

Gender identity - like religion or political allegiance - isn't the important factor here. Sex is.

However we're forced into talking about whether they're transwomen simply because that's where self ID and gaslighting by those in power has got us.

It's somewhat unfair to throw that back at us and call it "vitriolic vilification".

SayHi · 05/07/2023 19:22

SabrinaThwaite · 05/07/2023 18:59

Perhaps the victim is 6 foot tall and can tell if someone is 3 inches taller than him or 3 inches shorter?

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I agree.

They will ask him roughly where they came up to on him and work out a rough height.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 19:32

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 15:32

Possessing child pornography is not at all limited to men. It's horrendous and the verdict is laughable but it's not like sexual offences or rape. When I was younger our youth theatre company nearly got shut down because there was ring of child pornography being shared between the set builders, including 1 women set builder and one man

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It's not "child pornography' its child abuse.

Unless your thinking the children in the images are paid like adult porn actors?

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/07/2023 19:34

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 12:22

Well, here we have something so disturbing on an ordinary level. But after years of being browbeaten on misgendering, and men described as women on hundreds of news and crime reports, we're wondering, are the peeps actually women?

Right now, my instinct on reports of 6'3" women is to assume...men.
This is so fucked up.

Agree.

Also my instincts on reports of a boy left naked and sexually assaulted is to assume . . . men.

It is hellishly f*cked up!

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 19:34

evieowlette · 05/07/2023 15:35

Yeah I don't agree with that. You can have a nuanced opinion. I know I have a friend who is Trans and she has gone through hell to get to where she is now but I don't know if there is another way to keep others safe from male predators crossdressing.

Honestly Transgender people will always find a way to transition regardless of our views or opinions, sure it can be made harder but it wont stop. Giving faster routes of access to actually transition instead of waiting 4-5 years for a first appointment might help though

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It takes I think 6 months and five quid, and absolutely no surgery has to be done.
How much easier can it be made?

Awwwwooooga · 05/07/2023 19:46

Not RTFT but having worked with young people who have been sexually assaulted, sometimes they feel undeserved shame if they are assaulted by someone of the same sex (if they are heterosexual). There is a possibility that he was too embarrassed to identify that he was attacked by males and felt it easier to say they were females

TheUsualChaos · 05/07/2023 19:47

justteanbiscuits · 05/07/2023 15:10

Some women. It's not offensive to me, or to any of the women I am friends with. Its a simple, easy descriptor.

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But why do women need anything more descriptive than simply "women". If TWAW then why are actual women cis women?🤔

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