Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

Perhaps rather than use 'man/men' or 'woman/women', police and crime journalists should use the strictly scientific 'male' or 'female', or is that forbidden, as well? Personally, I refuse to pretend that any other than a biological female can be a woman, but for those who live in fantasyland, is it considered too 'unkind' to use factual, biological descriptors like male/female?

Couple of things:

Burgess Hill is around a 15 min drive/ train journey from Brighton.

If the police and news are inaccurately reporting the sex of the attackers (seems likely) then they have also perhaps lied about the sex of their victim, seeing as so many teenage girls are identifying as boys.

It could be that 'sexual assault' was a euphemism for rape - but since rape can only be committed by a man ( someone with a penis), and the fact these two were dressed in women's clothing and were reported to be women it has been described as an assault.

Goo point!

This is where inaccurate/politically motivated reporting takes you.

good point

If the 15 year old reported them as women, what do you expect the police force to do? To say "Well, he said they were women, but they're tall, so we'll ignore what the victim said"??

Well being as so many people have been cultured to believe TWAW, I would now expect the police to clarify with the victim if they meant a TW or a woman who was born female. Especially if there were features of the crime or description of the attackers which pointed more typically to it having been committed by a man.

This is true.

Presumably then all we know is that two people allegedly attacked a third person.

I believe legally that’s acceptable to say. At least at present.

And all the confusion happens when public bodies have been indoctrinated by a movement for whom words have lost their meaning.

Excellent response

Also, from reading online discussions I've become aware of how important height is to guys. I had no idea so many of them lie about what height they are, even when told by someone taller, "You can't be 6'1", because I am!". So I assume that just as women are better at discerning someone's sex in a nanosecond, men are better at recognising someone's height - particularly as, as @BaronessEllarawrosaurus points out, they may be in the mid-range for guys & so will start from 'taller than me, shorter than me'.

It's useful semantics to distinguish Trans from Cis otherwise it gets confusing

It’s the other way around. The word cis was invented to try to cover up the fact that what distinguishes women from TW, is the fact that women are women.

It’s really important, as we can see from uncertainty about what sex of person police are looking for, that the woman means woman. It’s important in many, many other contexts too.

Hmmm

“….In most ways they are…” But how? What makes these men women? What tangible thing - give me just one thing - makes them women? Come on, if you are so certain trans women are women, give me one characteristic, one trait, one feature that is unique to women that makes these men women too, that they could only have if they were women for sure!

They are not women. You cannot be born a man and become a woman. You can be born a man and become a trans woman, but you can never, ever be born a man and become a woman. To suggest otherwise is to insult women - you know (to paraphrase Ricky Gervais) the cunty ones.

Like many on here I will eat my hat if this is a crime committed by two biological females. In fact I will be happy to apologise to Sussex police if this is the case, but going by their current record at this stage I don’t believe their statement.

My heart goes out to the victim, who I hope is given the privacy and support needed to recover.

(Lets face it, it’s not going to take a lot for anyone to remove a red wig, pop on “manly” clothes and go about their daily business either, is it)

A likely scenario? On what planet?

So what is your evidence that they didn't clarify that? There are so many mad assumptions on this thread. We have no evidence that the police did not explore all this in depth with the victim who was absolutely sure that he was attacked by women. Alternatively, it may be that that was the best description that they could get in the first instance and they went with that because they had to; but they have every intention of going back over it with the victim in more depth when he has recovered a bit. When have you ever seen a description of a criminal where the police have said "Well, the victim said their attacker was a man with dark hair wearing a black coat, but actually we think they probably got it wrong because in our view men with dark hair don't commit this type of crime"?

If it turns out to be committed by 2 girls (as opposed to one girl &, one bloke or 2 blokes) we've nothing to apologise for.

We are only speculating about this because the police and the BBC have already repeatedly demonstrated their institutional misogyny and capture by the trans lobby.

Thank you for saying that.

A lot of the children in child sexual abuses images will have been raped/sexually assaulted by the person who took the photos probably before after or during the time when the photos were taken.

And knowing that images of my CSA will still exist out there somewhere continues to haunt me over 40 years later.

people think it's a victimless crime just swapping and being in possession of images. It's so not which is why if you could put a line of children in each court room to represent the children in the photos i think the sentencing on these cases would change rapidly.

Breastfeeding babies and nipple clamps (see Thames Water thread)
Sexually assaulting children

We've been gaslighted, and we have been distracted. This was never about women and getting to use our spaces. It was about getting us to capitulate and look the other way whilst they targeted our children under the guise of being caring women. I can't believe we didn't see this before.

It's time to get very, very angry.

Thing is I do call Trans Women "Women" and I believe in most ways they are. I don't consider them men at least not the ones who aren't just impersonating women in drag.

I'll ask again, because I didn't get an answer last time.

What exactly is the difference between Trans Women and men who are just impersonating women in drag? Since you @evieowlette differentiate between the two groups.

How do we know which is which?

i feel like you are in a different conversation from the one I am in. Look at the quote I was responding to, which you have copied here. I was replying to that. That is, to someone asking if I expect the police to ignore what the victim says about the sex of the attacker. I hope now you see how you are attacking me for arguments I never made.

Secondly, my main point, made elsewhere on this thread, is that the real concern is that the public can no longer have confidence that the police or media are accurately sexing suspects and criminals, even when their sex is evident to all.

Thing is I do call Trans Women "Women" and I believe in most ways they are.

So, if these 2 individuals are found to be trans women, and they have raped this boy, are you still going to view them as women? Even after committing a terrible, life ruining crime on a CHILD, you are still going to hold your position.

Are you really that brainwashed or are your liberal beliefs more important than the safety and life of a child?

If you are a true feminist it is our shared female biology that makes us women.

There. Fixed it for you.

What else could it otherwise be?

Boiled

The dismissal of child sex abuse coming from someone who puts so much in stock in being the 'right kind of feminist' and who expresses so much concern for male who say they are women would say all we need to know about them. I will await for clarification from this poster, but I suspect that I understood that post correctly.

Fucking horrific & hypocritical.

This.

We're a multi faith society, I am all for people being free to worship at whatever altars they wish, so long as they don't expect me to validate their beliefs or get involved and are equally accepting of me stating my beliefs. I do not believe there is a point or situation in which a man ever stops being a man. Some men identify as transwomen, which is fine, but to my perception and belief they are men who would prefer to be women and there are limits to how far others can be expected to enable this.

But yes. There is a point at which you have to question what you are participating in regarding this particular faith, and whether you are enabling harm to happen to others.