Breastfeeding

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So my thread about the ‘transwoman’ breastfeeding has been deleted.

Apparently Mumsnet doesn’t allow discussion about this. Big surprise. I now expect my account to be deleted.

What a shitshow!

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict nothing, because the person in question is part of a sacred caste whose activities cannot be questioned.

Because having categories of people who are above suspicion always works out well, doesn't it?

It is another Jimmy Saville type situation all over again. Safeguarding concerns dismissed. Whistleblowers not listened to. It is like PIE has found a way through again.

Was watching a documentary about the 1970's pop group, the Bay City Rollers, on ITV a few days ago. Their mannager Tam paton was a monstrous abuser who basically audtioned young boys for the group by sexually assaulting them.

One ex member of the group recalled a party he was at which had been arranged by Paton and at which there were many celebrities in attendance - including Jimmy Saville. Boys would be taken off into room sby these men.

It devastsed the lives of so many.

Maybe this is why nothing will be done. Nothing to see here - all perfectly normal and natural.

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/british-transgender-female-celebrates-breastfeeding-her-child/article_e0f59ebe-1a99-11ee-87c8-13b022cf6f19.html

I think the mentions of arrest and social services has stimulated a lot of reaction, with people doubling down even more.

People have to be held accountable for their non actions and evasions.

I think - and I may be wrong - that there may have been female sailors on board both RN and other ships from time to time, pretending to be men or formally recognised as men. So that might be an explanation. Other than that, officers and others were allowed wives aboard on some ships and might have fed infants in need. I think we can safely say that no actual biological men breastfed babies on board ship. Apart from anything else, they would have had arduous and time consuming duties to attend to.
There will have been other ways of feeding babies too, just as there would be on land. Some ships carried goats as a source of milk, and gruel was a staple too.

And there have been female passengers, as well. The idea that male sailors suckled infants is probably more myth than reality.

So we aren't allowed our own opinions but mumsnet can decide for us :-(

I’m not sure why we are accepting this, it sounds like nonsense.

Ok a man may have held a baby to his nipple to attempt to comfort it if a mother on board died, (allowing it to suck on his finger is more likely to comfort the baby) but if the baby survived it is more likely down to there having been another lactating woman on board or other lactating animal.

Let’s be realistic, a woman who has never been pregnant is not likely to produce enough milk to keep that baby alive even if she allowed it to suckle freely until it was exhausted and kept it constantly skin to skin, what are the chances for a man?

A woman who had been pregnant previously and thus been through full breast development, lactogenesis stages 1-3 would not quickly produce all the milk that a baby needs. If she could do it quickly enough for the baby to survive then it is likely the baby would need sugar water or something to keep hydrated and have enough energy to keep going while she built up supply.

Sailors keeping babies alive (which they hadn’t given birth to themselves) all sounds very far fetched to me.

It is so strange that we are even entertaining a discussion about whether a man can breastfeed or not.

It is hard to comprehend how far down the road of insanity we have all gone.

Even engaging in this as a possibility is so beyond ridiculous.

Every person on this earth knows men cannot breastfeed. It might not suit them to admit this, but they know that this is an indisputable fact of life.

Everyone is permitted their view, but also must be prepared to have it challenged and tested.

I cannot wrap my head around how royally fucked the world is. So breastfeeding women can't even have a Lemsip when they feel like shit but TW can have an enormous cocktail of drugs and that's ok? Is anybody, anywhere considering the effects on the poor babies? Fucking hell fire.

I know how you feel having been limited to paracetamol after a C-section (I could have ibuprofen or co-codamol but they 'weren't recommended') but I also suspect that there is a small gap between Mika and reality.

Yes. Just a teeny tiny wee gap.

Lol at the nspcc. Parents can choose to feed their child how they want? Really? So the boy who was fed salt is fine?

Fuck off.

My only comment on this whole sorry affair us: women posting that Pic, or bf in that way in that place (bus) would be trashed to within an inch of her life for being an exhibitionist

Nohun has done a video on it... "men can get pregnant, they can breastfeed, do they know how to clean yet?!"

www.instagram.com/reel/CuSRDzyLzLf/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

https://twitter.com/seaseabee/status/1676608625777811458?s=46&t=EhGO0B1HW4Ji8N5MLtXpcw

the person has a nipple clamp fetish

Frankly I believe that mumsnet are completely anti breastfeeding!

My friend has had her account deleted after simply asking for otheer breastfeeding mothers experiences yesterday - we cant support breastfeeding as it might upset the formula feeding mums.

Perhaps she should ask for men's breastfeeding experiences, that might be a more successful request.

Sadly, I think you're right.

I posted in answer to an OP who was breastfeeding and desperately wanted to keep doing so. She was asking for advice on some point, I forget exactly what, something to do with cluster feeding and what to expect during the first 12 weeks, I think.

The gratuitous spite I received from other posters was off the scale. The response wasn't even intended for them, and I hadn't engaged with any other person on that thread (and, after that, didn't bother).

Not the finer face of Mumsnet I have to say!

@SerafinasGoose unfortunately I have found many other women who feel bullied by the mumsnet team for only asking for opinions. As a platform that should be supporting women from all backgrounds and walks of life I believe that the mumsnet team should be ashamed of themselves. Imagine the impact their actions are having on peoples mental health.

Not entirely sure what that has to do with transwomen breastfeeding though?