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Compensation for Maya!

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DerekFaker · 30/06/2023 15:27

Update from Maya Forstater:

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1674782721502236676?t=6HkINfAkvBpXD0lb0kn8ZQ&s=19

"I have received the "remedy" judgement in my case.
@cgdev has been ordered to pay over £100k in compensation for loss of earnings, injury to feelings and aggravated damages for their high-handed conduct.
Thank-you to everyone who supported my case"

https://www.forstater.com/discrimination-costs/

Discrimination costs

Think-tank ordered to pay more than £100,000 compensation for “gender critical” belief discrimination The Center for Global Development was today ordered to pay £106,404 in compensation to Maya Forstater, after the organisation was found to have engag...

https://www.forstater.com/discrimination-costs

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StormShadow · 02/07/2023 07:52

Yeah, it's a fact that some people think that way. The tribunal proceedings alone told us that. For that reason I can't see how anything in that article meets the legal definition of defamation, which of course may be why they chose that particular wording.

Florissante · 02/07/2023 09:08

Maya, you are a shining star. I appreciate the hard work and sacrifices you made over the past five years.

Thank you.

Florissante · 02/07/2023 09:10

A Swiss Investment banker is part of the 0.1 percent income percentile in the UK and yet they have spent all this time and money humiliating an average income mother and worker on his behalf.

A small correction: Bunce is British and works for a Swiss bank.

Cailin66 · 02/07/2023 09:26

MForstater · 01/07/2023 00:00

Thank you all, you bloody lovely nest of vipers 😊

I’m a subscriber to your

Sex Matters

website. Thank you for being so brave.

https://sex-matters.org/

You inspire me to be brave, but I can’t write about it on here. I know I’m not alone, thanks to websites like this and courageous women (and men) like you.

Sex Matters

We are campaigning to establish that sex matters in rules, laws, policies, language and culture.

https://sex-matters.org/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2023 11:44

Hepwo · 01/07/2023 16:50

“CGD has and will continue to strive to maintain a workplace that is welcoming, safe, and inclusive to all. The resolution of this case will allow us once again to focus exclusively on our mission: reducing global poverty and inequality through economic research that drives better policy and practice.”

They have wasted 100s of thousands of dollars running around like headless chickens over a discussion basically about a cross dressing man winning a woman in finance award, Phillip Bunce, a Managing Director at a Swiss Investment Bank in London.

Can they honestly say that their staff having a massive huff on his behalf and the senior executives going to court 2 times over it is in any way reducing global poverty and inequality through economic research that drives better policy and practice.”

A Swiss Investment banker is part of the 0.1 percent income percentile in the UK and yet they have spent all this time and money humiliating an average income mother and worker on his behalf.

Poverty my arse.

They have no morals at all. Why don't businesses stick to their mission instead of banging on about rich men's sex lives like this.

All of this. Idiots.

Tropicaldi · 02/07/2023 12:09

Yeah. Well said @Hepwo

Transactivism is all about male supremacy, but subverting all the machinations feminists developed to enable equality - by positioning the most privileged minority as the most oppressed, and the most oppressed majority as the most privileged.

Women are such evil oppressors gatekeeping access to our sanpro bins from the most marginalised group who don’t have the privilege of producing their own menstrual blood.

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 12:16

Tropicaldi · 02/07/2023 12:09

Yeah. Well said @Hepwo

Transactivism is all about male supremacy, but subverting all the machinations feminists developed to enable equality - by positioning the most privileged minority as the most oppressed, and the most oppressed majority as the most privileged.

Women are such evil oppressors gatekeeping access to our sanpro bins from the most marginalised group who don’t have the privilege of producing their own menstrual blood.

I think this is why this area is so toxic. The herd mentality required from the most so-called intelligent people in the face of the most preposterous inversion of material reality and philosophical principles, generates the most illogical compulsion to be most draconian.

It's as if the demands on the believer and proto-believer are so inane and so contradictory, that the doubling down is more like trebling down.

I genuinely view this as the Lefts version of Rightist blind belief in a hard Brexit, populism and Trump. It's their QAnon.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 02/07/2023 12:28

Did she ever get her job back?

StormShadow · 02/07/2023 12:58

She's not working there now but I doubt she's actually attempted it. Can you imagine the atmosphere?

MavisMcMinty · 02/07/2023 13:02

Heh. “Hi everyone, I’m ba-ack! Hah! Anyone wanna DEBATE ME NOW?”

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/07/2023 13:03

The herd mentality required from the most so-called intelligent people in the face of the most preposterous inversion of material reality and philosophical principles, generates the most illogical compulsion to be most draconian.

Such a good point.

Tropicaldi · 02/07/2023 13:34

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 12:16

I think this is why this area is so toxic. The herd mentality required from the most so-called intelligent people in the face of the most preposterous inversion of material reality and philosophical principles, generates the most illogical compulsion to be most draconian.

It's as if the demands on the believer and proto-believer are so inane and so contradictory, that the doubling down is more like trebling down.

I genuinely view this as the Lefts version of Rightist blind belief in a hard Brexit, populism and Trump. It's their QAnon.

It's as if the demands on the believer and proto-believer are so inane and so contradictory, that the doubling down is more like trebling down.

Yes - the brain-ache of trying to believe nonsense in order to feel like a good person, causes so much inner tension their nerves are wound up like an elastic band that’s ready to ping, so they snap with full force- and it’s mind-boggling to witness.

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 13:45

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/07/2023 13:03

The herd mentality required from the most so-called intelligent people in the face of the most preposterous inversion of material reality and philosophical principles, generates the most illogical compulsion to be most draconian.

Such a good point.

Mrs. OW, I've been there myself. I purposely allowed myself to be wowed by the most extreme fringes of Brexit thinking and populist appeal politics. I geed myself on to more and more heated viewpoints and Year Zero cultural thinking. True believer status felt so right and so comforting that I eschewed all data and other PoV. I never stopped arguing in good faith with people, or attacked my "opponents", but a comfort blanket wrapped around me, and I was a hugely annoying and pompously opinionated prig (no typo? lol). It felt good to have an outlier fixed opinion, and even better to demean the other side. FFS, I even warmed to Trump during this period, so fired up was my temperament at the time.

That's really not who I am, who I was. And the reading of data driven blogs (Chris Grey in particular) on Brexit challenged my opinions, and I gradually over 12 months came up for air.

I haven't had any epiphany to think totally differently on Brexit, I've just broken the Möbius Loop of thinking and negative emotions I had during that period, and now welcome being challenged from both sides of the argument.

My point is that self radicalisation, willing participation in herd mentality, and visceral enjoyment of purity spirals is so easy to slip into, but can be very hard to extract from.

And I do believe that the more polarising/zero sum game/pure matter of identity marker and subjective belief etc the "crusade", the more the doubling and trebling down is required, the more the attraction of group dynamics is magnified, and the more brutal the purity spirals are amplified. And this is TRA and it's hold amongst the broad range of elites/older liberals/younger activists.

And if your "group" is the group running society, how are you gonna deviate from the group even if doubts are entering your mind?

Are you really gonna want Patrick Stewart to think you're a transphobe, or liberal politicians to think you're a bigot, or doctors to think you're ok with trans youth at risk of suicide, or journalists to think you're prejudiced, or teachers to think you don't have the best interest of youth at heart, or feminists like Caroline Lucas to think you're small and inhuman in putting down individuals who only want acceptance and that your narrow mind puts this ahead of environmental armageddon, or teens/family/friends/work colleagues who won't ever allow the homophobia of the 70s and 80s be carried on by you in the new transphobia.

How do you break out of those herds and spirals? De-programming from belief in hard Brexit is a doddle in comparison.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2023 13:53

Did she ever get her job back?

She's got a new one now.

MmePoppySeedDefage · 02/07/2023 14:03

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 16:56

MmePoppySeedDefage · Today 15:50

And the Guardian headline doesn't mention trans either; just biological sex, which is what this is all about. Pity it wasn't in the paper version, but hey.

It only appeared this afternoon, as far as I can tell. It may have been deliberate, of course.

I think it probably was deliberate - MrPSD gets the paper Guardian and I've noticed before that they seem to report on gender critical issues, when they do, online, in the afternoon. But, grasping at straws, they did report it, and reasonably, in general.

SinnerBoy · 02/07/2023 14:42

They report on it, so as to reach the smallest audience possible, whilst being able to deny ignoring the issue!

Florissante · 02/07/2023 14:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2023 13:53

Did she ever get her job back?

She's got a new one now.

Glad to hear that. She is obviously an intelligent, principled woman.

AmuseBish · 02/07/2023 21:57

Well done Maya! I've followed this case for what seems like my whole GC lifetime.

WonderBetty · 02/07/2023 23:37

Maya just posted in the Popsy Frocks & Friends Facebook group, the mauling started immediately. Admin has bowed to the handmaidens and closed comments.

LoobiJee · 03/07/2023 00:39

Mauling by who and why?

Boiledbeetle · 05/07/2023 02:37

I shall just stick this here before I turn in for the night.

A NON-ORDINARY WOMAN*

Maya’s case is finally finished. It’s over and done,
and gosh did she manage to bring out the sun.

She first gave us WORIADS, the gift that is great,
but better than that was when CGD learnt their fate.

Their bad behaviour and treatment of Maya
turned out to be one humongous backfire.

And now the court has made them pay
to the fantastic tune of £100K.

So, hats off to Maya as she’s bloody amazing
and will go down in history for her trailblazing.

*Maya, during a speech at the Women’s Liberation 2020 conference, described herself as an 'ordinary woman'. But she is no ordinary woman, in fact she’s the complete opposite she is a non-ordinary woman, or to put it in English she is a bloody amazing woman!

Froodwithatowel · 05/07/2023 07:08

LoobiJee · 03/07/2023 00:39

Mauling by who and why?

I would imagine by activists who are very angry on behalf of male people that a woman managed to get set in law that women cannot be made to service male people's personal fictions against their own beliefs and perceptions.

MRAs have always existed. Although why a woman should be angry about that makes you wonder wtaf is wrong with them.

BordoisAgain · 05/07/2023 07:18

MerlinsLostMarbles · 02/07/2023 12:28

Did she ever get her job back?

Aww, is that all you have? So sad 😭

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 08:54

BordoisAgain · 05/07/2023 07:18

Aww, is that all you have? So sad 😭

Either Merlin is woefully ignorant, or Merlin thinks we're all stupid.

In case it's the former...

In more than 99 per cent of cases an employee who succeeds in a claim for unfair dismissal will be awarded compensation. In a very few cases each year the employment tribunal will order that the employee be reinstated or re-engaged - but the claimant has to have requested that (and frankly how many would) and the employment tribunal has to be satisfied that it is reasonably practicable for employment to resume.

The tribunal in Maya's case awarded compensation, it did not order reinstatement. Given its description of GCC's behaviour, I can't imagine that it ever would have considered reinstatement 'reasonably practicable'.

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