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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Compensation for Maya!

199 replies

DerekFaker · 30/06/2023 15:27

Update from Maya Forstater:

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1674782721502236676?t=6HkINfAkvBpXD0lb0kn8ZQ&s=19

"I have received the "remedy" judgement in my case.
@cgdev has been ordered to pay over £100k in compensation for loss of earnings, injury to feelings and aggravated damages for their high-handed conduct.
Thank-you to everyone who supported my case"

https://www.forstater.com/discrimination-costs/

Discrimination costs

Think-tank ordered to pay more than £100,000 compensation for “gender critical” belief discrimination The Center for Global Development was today ordered to pay £106,404 in compensation to Maya Forstater, after the organisation was found to have engag...

https://www.forstater.com/discrimination-costs

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EdithStourton · 01/07/2023 00:03

Fab. Delighted!

Appalonia · 01/07/2023 00:03

MForstater · 01/07/2023 00:00

Thank you all, you bloody lovely nest of vipers 😊

Bloody well done, you've inspired us all to be braver and I hope you've had a fabulous celebration tonight! 😁Xxx

RealityFan · 01/07/2023 00:09

Maya, the only thing that makes me sad in light of your fantastic victory is how this how feels more like an Anglo thing in isolation.

That, outside the UK, in Spain, France, Germany, Holland, Finland, Ireland...and most damningly of all, in the US...that the GC view is beleagured, harassed to within an inch (or 2.54 cm) of existence by the relentless lobby/activist legal tirade that you've so magnificently shone the light of disinfectant on.

I've never been so proud to be British as I am with the sheer indomitable Bulldog rearguard action that you and the other never say die GC feminists of the UK are fighting.

I don't normally do the patriotic thing (13 years of wear and tear), and certainly was always suspicious of activist mouthy feminism even just a decade ago.

Never again!

RealityFan · 01/07/2023 00:23

RealityFan · 01/07/2023 00:09

Maya, the only thing that makes me sad in light of your fantastic victory is how this how feels more like an Anglo thing in isolation.

That, outside the UK, in Spain, France, Germany, Holland, Finland, Ireland...and most damningly of all, in the US...that the GC view is beleagured, harassed to within an inch (or 2.54 cm) of existence by the relentless lobby/activist legal tirade that you've so magnificently shone the light of disinfectant on.

I've never been so proud to be British as I am with the sheer indomitable Bulldog rearguard action that you and the other never say die GC feminists of the UK are fighting.

I don't normally do the patriotic thing (13 years of wear and tear), and certainly was always suspicious of activist mouthy feminism even just a decade ago.

Never again!

That "activist mouthy feminism" together with potential industrial levels of "pissed off as Hell" Gen Alpha, and the air coming out of the TRA Gen Z (un)"righteous" anger balloon, is having its effect. And not subtle.

As each plank of TRA legal recourse is denied, indeed the law coalescing around common sense and science, the TRAs become shriller, the forced teaming becomes more like feral cats in bags, the public speak up uncensored and in way greater numbers (just read The Mail comments on our 1950s stereotype house"wife" on the ITV water bills piece), the cacophony has jumped at least half an octave into scratching, tonality.

I love my post modern Monty Python slayer of British traditional social mores and 20th century atonal modern jazz and classical. But I also love to switch them off to return to familiar chords, and simple evergreen punchlines.

Maya will be recognised as a real pioneer here, the actual link to 1973 Germaine Greer, not the fake feminism of Butler and Sarkar, and deffo not of Owen Jones and the GLAAD lineup of shame.

Hepwo · 01/07/2023 00:30

Have you been celebrating Reality? Sounding a bit emotional there!

RealityFan · 01/07/2023 00:49

Hepwo · 01/07/2023 00:30

Have you been celebrating Reality? Sounding a bit emotional there!

I'm somewhat atoning for my younger days when I was pretty dismissive of women, feminists in particular. Nothing egregious, just a "stop crowding me" attitude.

I'm older, somewhat wiser, have some great female friends, have many therapy clients who are female, and a certain person by my side, and my ship has been charting a 180 for a good couple of decades.

My GC voyage started as disconnect, then anger, then determination. And days like Maya's victory make the effort to stay in the fight very worthwhile.

I will toast her at the pub tmrw. My emotion will run to an internal "YES!!!"

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 01/07/2023 00:58

Fab news, so pleased for you Maya.

Should have been at least twice as much though.

Thank you.

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 01:02

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered

Should have been at least twice as much though.

Why so stingy?

😀

dunBle · 01/07/2023 04:56

I have no idea what the appropriate level of damages should be in a case like this, but the fact Maya got awarded aggravated damages has tickled me, especially given the Pink News aspect. It's a good job I've been following the @gussiegrips advice on twitter, as otherwise I might be piddling myself literally as well as metaphorically. They didn't just fuck up, they gratuitously fucked up. I'd say it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of people, but I'm holding out the hope that Mermaids get their arses kicked on Thursday.

Kucinghitam · 01/07/2023 06:33

MForstater · 01/07/2023 00:00

Thank you all, you bloody lovely nest of vipers 😊

We should be thanking you! FlowersWine

MavisMcMinty · 01/07/2023 06:57

Thanks @MForstater - not much compensation for the last 5 years of hell, but symbolically the award is priceless. WORIADS indeed. x

borntobequiet · 01/07/2023 09:26

MForstater · 01/07/2023 00:00

Thank you all, you bloody lovely nest of vipers 😊

Thank you Maya, so much.
Because of you and others like you I feel far less fearful for my granddaughters as they grow up.

FannyCann · 01/07/2023 11:45

You know I said we needed a spread sheet?
In case it hasn't been posted there's a great
round up of current/on going cases here from Peter Daly.
So many! I've contributed to some but not all - my posters are not deep and also I didn't know about some so it's a great resource.

twitter.com/peter_daly/status/1674880457102577666?s=46

pues · 01/07/2023 12:25

@MForstater
When all this is over( and it may be sooner than we think if my daughter's school is anything to go by) you will go down in history.
Hope you have a massive hangover Grin

AgathaSpencerGregson · 01/07/2023 14:42

Kucinghitam · 01/07/2023 06:33

We should be thanking you! FlowersWine

100%. What a huge change you have achieved. It’s incredible

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 15:49

IcakethereforeIam · Today 14:31

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/01/maya-forstater-woman-who-lost-job-after-tweeting-view-on-biological-sex-awarded-100000-by-tribunal

Seems pretty straightforward. I like they've quoted Maya in full. End though with an absolute lie from CGB and a non-sequitor from Stonewall!

I've just read that, having come back from a shopping trip. I noticed the nasty propaganda at the end, too, with CGB saying that, in order to pretend that they were justified and that, despite being nasty and discriminatory, that that's somehow safe and inclusive.

And Stonewall, as expected, mis-representing the actuality, with the implication that Maya abused and discriminated against trans people / person. The mendacious gang of pustules.

If you go in on their home page, (not UK section) they preface the headline with "Maya Forstater."

Anyway - go Maya! And please go bankrupt, or grow up, Guardian. And please sink into a festering slurry pit, Stonewall.

Woman who lost job after tweeting view on biological sex awarded £100,000

Award follows tribunal ruling that Maya Forstater was unfairly discriminated against because of her gender-critical beliefs

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/01/maya-forstater-woman-who-lost-job-after-tweeting-view-on-biological-sex-awarded-100000-by-tribunal

MmePoppySeedDefage · 01/07/2023 15:50

And the Guardian headline doesn't mention trans either; just biological sex, which is what this is all about. Pity it wasn't in the paper version, but hey.

Hepwo · 01/07/2023 16:50

“CGD has and will continue to strive to maintain a workplace that is welcoming, safe, and inclusive to all. The resolution of this case will allow us once again to focus exclusively on our mission: reducing global poverty and inequality through economic research that drives better policy and practice.”

They have wasted 100s of thousands of dollars running around like headless chickens over a discussion basically about a cross dressing man winning a woman in finance award, Phillip Bunce, a Managing Director at a Swiss Investment Bank in London.

Can they honestly say that their staff having a massive huff on his behalf and the senior executives going to court 2 times over it is in any way reducing global poverty and inequality through economic research that drives better policy and practice.”

A Swiss Investment banker is part of the 0.1 percent income percentile in the UK and yet they have spent all this time and money humiliating an average income mother and worker on his behalf.

Poverty my arse.

They have no morals at all. Why don't businesses stick to their mission instead of banging on about rich men's sex lives like this.

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 16:56

MmePoppySeedDefage · Today 15:50

And the Guardian headline doesn't mention trans either; just biological sex, which is what this is all about. Pity it wasn't in the paper version, but hey.

It only appeared this afternoon, as far as I can tell. It may have been deliberate, of course.

BringMeTea · 01/07/2023 19:43

Delighted to see this. 💙

LonginesPrime · 01/07/2023 23:05

Does anyone else find it jarring and very pointed that the Guardian, Sky News and the BBC have all referred to Maya as "Woman who" at the start of the headline?

It's irrelevant that she's a woman in this context and it's unusual to see people referred to as "woman" or "man" unless it's directly relevant to the story, because it's sexist and weird. I would have expected a normal headline to something like "tax consultant", as it's simply not relevant that Maya is a woman in this context, as the case was about her gender-critical views, not sex discrimination.

It almost feels like they're wilfully misconstruing the idea that sex matters and are poking fun at the notion that sex is sometimes vitally important (especially to women and girls) by pretending that Maya was asking to be treated in a sexist manner and to be referred to as "woman" in every circumstance.

It also comes across as quite derogatory IMO, because (1) it doesn't feel necessary to point out she's a woman so it seems misplaced and sexist, kind of like saying "female doctor", when you could just say "doctor", (2) there is a huge amount of abuse aimed at women who do voice gender critical opinions, so it kind of feels like "woman" is being used as a substitute for T*RF or evil witch here, and (3) this might just be my generation, but it almost feels like it gives the headline a "bloody women" or "feminazi" kind of tone.

Also, why did Sky quote Maya explaining why sex matters and then say underneath "these views are seen by some as deeply transphobic" when the article is reporting on a court case categorically stating that they are not in fact transphobic? Why just randomly say they're seen as transphobic with no further information as to who these "some" are or what their reasoning is? It sounds like Sky is trying to claim Maya's comments are deeply transphobic. It just feels like such biased reporting.

Maya Forstater: Woman who lost her job over transgender views awarded £100k compensation

In 2021, Maya Forstater told Sky News that "girls grew up to be women, boys grew up to be men" - but some see her views as deeply transphobic. Now, she has been awarded compensation after losing her job in 2019.

https://news.sky.com/story/maya-forstater-woman-who-lost-her-job-over-transgender-views-wins-100k-compensation-12913100

dimorphism · 01/07/2023 23:21

The reporting saying that Maya's position is transphobic is surely libellous? The court found there was nothing transphobic at all in Maya's views, which are widely held.

Maybe Maya could take these news outlets to court and get more damages for libel? I could be up for more digging and planting, I do feel the crop has been good so far.

Thank you Maya, you will go down in history as a warrior for women's rights. And sex matters in safeguarding too - so your fight will also serve to protect children.

RealityFan · 01/07/2023 23:30

dimorphism · 01/07/2023 23:21

The reporting saying that Maya's position is transphobic is surely libellous? The court found there was nothing transphobic at all in Maya's views, which are widely held.

Maybe Maya could take these news outlets to court and get more damages for libel? I could be up for more digging and planting, I do feel the crop has been good so far.

Thank you Maya, you will go down in history as a warrior for women's rights. And sex matters in safeguarding too - so your fight will also serve to protect children.

They just can't help themselves, can they?
Even in a pure opinion piece, that comment would be out of order. But it's absolutely scandalous in a pure factual account of this event.

Are the media even interested in reporting truthfully anymore? It seems not.

LonginesPrime · 02/07/2023 00:00

The reporting saying that Maya's position is transphobic is surely libellous?

I doubt it, because they've worded it as "we're not saying it, but some other people think so".

But then why bloody say it? It's completely irrelevant but it's like they had to shoehorn that in there anyway.

And why use the words "deeply transphobic" as opposed to just transphobic?

It's like they really wanted to hammer it home that they disagree with the judgment and still needed find a way to condemn Maya, despite the actual finding that she was the victim, and not the perpetrator!

I think the best route is probably to complain as individuals direct to Sky, BBC etc about the sexism and bias (BBC are usually quite good at changing their shitty sexist headlines when people complain, not sure about Sky).