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Abhannmor · 27/06/2023 10:02

' Doggie is a good old cat
People whatcha lookin' at ?'

Norma Tanega ' Cat named Dog'.

Like as not, of course the two pupils were discussing a hypothetical situation. Nesrine Malik pretends not to know this in her Guardian article. Or perhaps she thinks teenage girls are not capable of such thought processes. So it must all be ' Freddie Starr ate my hamster ' material.

Kenan Malik has written very sensibly on this subject. Possibly because of his grounding in old fashioned communism. No doubt Marx would have dismissed the furries as some bourgeois deviation, symptomatic of the impending collapse of capitalism.

Wiccan · 27/06/2023 10:14

Flickersy · 27/06/2023 10:00

You really truly believe the kids who don't pretend to be animals are a minority?

No and I didn't say that ! . I just think that all our schools and society are soaked in this stuff to the point it's affecting everyone in one way or another .

FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 10:15

I think Jennings family will be thrilled to go down in history as some of the most famous mass child abusers. They changed medicine, society, laws, psychology and influencers, every member of the family.

Biden won't be in power forever, neither will the present UK Government or the next left-wing government.

Long prison sentences await. Meanwhile collect as much evidence as you can.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fpc7aN_W1Kk&pp=ygUkTWF0dCB3YWxzaCByZXNwb25zZSB0byBqYXp6IGplbm5pbmdz

They took not just from Jazz , a functional penis, fertility, ever being a functional adult, they also stole joy and the never feeling hunger is satisfied due to damage of the hypothalamus.

But it shouldn’t be described in such cold physiological terms because your hypothalamus is not just a hormone factory. It’s this system that allows you to stand in awe of the beauty of a sunset, or to hear the sounds of orchestral music and to stop whatever you’re doing and want to listen.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/transgender-ideology-and-the-corruption-of-medicine

Heartfelt MIC DROP. Matt Walsh Replies To Transgender Jazz Jennings

Heartfelt Mic Drop. Matt Walsh Replies To Transgender Jazz Jennings

https://m.youtube.com/watch?pp=ygUkTWF0dCB3YWxzaCByZXNwb25zZSB0byBqYXp6IGplbm5pbmdz&v=fpc7aN_W1Kk

whereaw · 27/06/2023 10:15

@Flickersy do things only matter once they become widespread and are causing serious problems?
This is an argument against the absurdity of identity politics. This is just one small part of that.

Beowulfa · 27/06/2023 10:17

Well if the Guardian says it didn't happen, of course it didn't happen; just like nothing happened to those women in Cologne on NYE and there definitely wasn't a sex offender with his cock out in a women's spa.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/06/2023 10:32

Beowulfa · 27/06/2023 10:17

Well if the Guardian says it didn't happen, of course it didn't happen; just like nothing happened to those women in Cologne on NYE and there definitely wasn't a sex offender with his cock out in a women's spa.

For all the disbelievers, this is a transcript of the actual conversation. Read this and come back and insist that this incident was NOT about a child self identifying as something she's not. It runs through the whole discussion and at no time does the teacher ever say - "rubbish, nobody identifies as a cat".

Teacher: You’ve just really upset someone, gender is about how you identify. Where do you get the idea there are only two genders?
Girl: If I respect their opinion can’t they respect mine?
Teacher: It is not an opinion.
Girl: There’s only a boy and a girl, there’s no other private parts.
Teacher: Gender is not linked to the parts you were born with; gender is about how you identify.
Girl: I just don’t agree with it.
Teacher: There is [sic] actually three biological sexes. You can be born intersex: you can be born with male and female body parts or hormones – did you know that?
Girl: I am talking about biological sex in terms of gender.
Teacher: There are lots of genders: there is transgender, agender, people who don’t believe they have a gender at all.
Girl: Yeah, but you can’t have that.
Teacher: What do you mean you can’t have that? It’s not a law.
Girl: It’s our opinion: we just don’t agree with it. We just think if you have a vagina you’re a girl, if you have a penis you’re a boy.
Teacher: But cisgender is not necessarily the way to be. You were talking about the fact that cisgender is the norm, that you identify with the gender of the sexual organ that you were born with or you’re weird: that’s basically what you’re saying which is really despicable.
Girls: Yeah.
Girl: If I called my mum right now she’d say the same.
Teacher: Well, that’s very sad as well, then.
Girl: How is it that loads of people agree with that there is only a small majority of people who think that?
Teacher: And why do you think we have so many problems in the world with homophobia?
Girl: That’s not homophobia. That’s transgender.
Girl: I’m fine with lesbians and gay people. I’ve got nothing against them.
Teacher: But there is a link between it – you’re saying that people can’t change to who they want to be.
Girl: No they can’t. Unless you get a penis attached.
Teacher: You are so wrong.
Girl: No I’m not.
Teacher: You’re confusing sex and gender.
Girl: No I am not though, because if you have a vagina you’re a girl, if you have a penis you’re a boy.
Teacher: Gender is how you identify. IT’S NOT AN OPINION!
Girls: YES IT IS!
Teacher: No it’s not and if you don’t like it you need to go to a different school. I’m reporting you to Miss Willis. You need to have a proper educational conversation about equality, diversity and inclusion, because I’m not having that expressed in my lesson while I am teaching you about you can be who you want to be. How you identify is up to you.
Girl: They [obviously meaning most people] just don’t say it because all this happens.
Teacher: Maybe because they’re polite and maybe they’re sensitive.
Girl: I haven’t said anything in all of the lessons I’ve been in. It’s just because they turn around and start saying something so I said how can you identify as a cat when you’re a girl?
Teacher: THEY are now writing a statement. I would imagine that you will be asked to write a statement as well.
Girls: Yes we will.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 10:35

I can't believe she belittled the child's opinions & her mums. Well done also to the child for bringing her parent into this. The parents seem to be eradicated by many pushing this ideology.

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Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 10:36

Those girls knew so much more than their educator. The teacher actually hasn't a clue. Intersex is now a third sex🤣🤣

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FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 10:40

You can purchase small usb camera sticks and small dictaphones. I suggest if you or your children are around these abusers you keep them charged on your person. That way of they take a mobile phone you have a backup recording device.

If you are disabled you legally can use as many covert recordings as you like as they are disability aids and to take them or refuse them is illegal.

These sadist, abusive liars are out to harm you and your children. Put evidence out there as nobody will believe it otherwise. They rather believe people who tell you men are women.

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 10:43

That transcript shows even more clearly the teacher was all over the place and worse

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/06/2023 10:47

The transcript exposes the reality doesn't it? It's so similar to the countless denials and actual violence directed against women in the Wi Spa incident when a woman complained about her young daughter being subjected to indecent exposure by a man in the women's area in a spa.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11555915/Transgender-pervert-arrested-15-months-exposed-women-Wi-Spa-LA.html

Trans woman arrested months after she 'exposed herself' at LA's Wi Spa

Darren Merager - a 53-year-old convicted sex criminal who identifies as a woman - had previously rebuffed the allegations, claiming to be a victim of transphobia.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11555915/Transgender-pervert-arrested-15-months-exposed-women-Wi-Spa-LA.html

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 10:48

They were clearly talking about a girl who identifies as a cat. And the girls said afterwards that the whole conversation with the teacher (telling off) started because they said in class that it was crazy to identify as a cat and the teacher told them off for upsetting the girl who identifies as a cat.

Clearly the school are not going to admit this. I know who I believe.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/06/2023 10:48

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 10:43

That transcript shows even more clearly the teacher was all over the place and worse

I don't see how anyone can read that and not understand that the issue was about a child being challenged about identifying as a cat.

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 10:50

There was also the NHS hospital where a woman was raped and the hospital denied that it happened because "only women" were on that ward. Turns out a rapist who "identified" as a woman was on that ward. They tried to cover it up too.

FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 10:50

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FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 10:55

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 10:50

There was also the NHS hospital where a woman was raped and the hospital denied that it happened because "only women" were on that ward. Turns out a rapist who "identified" as a woman was on that ward. They tried to cover it up too.

Many press reports are behind pay walls.

Staff will safeguard themselves, colleagues, abusers and institutions before the vulnerable.

The lesson learned is to safeguard themselves not the vulnerable - better after each government inquiry or serious case review.

So it is down to us to record them and expose these liars, it's the only way we can prove anything.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-hospital-admits-bowing-to-gender-ideology-after-denying-a-patient-was-raped-because-accused-man-is-transgender/

UK hospital finally admits ‘transgender’ patient raped a woman after denying it was possible for a year

UK hospital finally admits ‘transgender’ patient raped a woman after denying it was possible for a year - LifeSite

'It has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened,' the House of Lords heard.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-hospital-admits-bowing-to-gender-ideology-after-denying-a-patient-was-raped-because-accused-man-is-transgender

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/06/2023 10:57

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The teacher's private life is her own business and it's wrong to call it oit on here. We can disagree with her actions in the recording without becoming personal.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 10:58

FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 10:40

You can purchase small usb camera sticks and small dictaphones. I suggest if you or your children are around these abusers you keep them charged on your person. That way of they take a mobile phone you have a backup recording device.

If you are disabled you legally can use as many covert recordings as you like as they are disability aids and to take them or refuse them is illegal.

These sadist, abusive liars are out to harm you and your children. Put evidence out there as nobody will believe it otherwise. They rather believe people who tell you men are women.

@FedgeHund that is so good to know & kids need to be armed with these.

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Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:00

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/06/2023 10:57

The teacher's private life is her own business and it's wrong to call it oit on here. We can disagree with her actions in the recording without becoming personal.

Agree

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:02

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 10:43

That transcript shows even more clearly the teacher was all over the place and worse

Yep. @MrsOvertonsWindow thanks again for sharing. Horrid reading. Well done to those girls & for also for bringing her mum into it.
Hopefully this spurs up lots of activism in our tweens & teens. And it teaches them adults aren't always right & call them out on their complete battshittery every chance they get!

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JaukiVexnoydi · 27/06/2023 11:04

I am wondering if this could be a positive thing. If one child's identification as a cat, dinosaur or badger is treated with exactly the same level of respect as another child identifying as a girl when they are clearly actually a boy (or vice versa) then doesn't that helpfully make it easier to clarify the difference between respecting someone's beliefs (good) vs actually believing their fantasy (not good).

We have been able to cope (mostly) with all kinds of mutually-contradictory religious beliefs being respected and not ridiculed, space made for the expressions of those beliefs but no requirement for any of the rest of us to actually believe it. That has been successful for decades. Believe that one is a different species or sex than the body one was born in belongs in the same category.

Respect doesn't cost anything. Capitulation costs everyone everything.

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Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:07

No. You don't imprison people for lack of critical thinking.

Your hyperbole isn't helping your argument.

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I agree with @fedgehund on this one. There needs to be a follow up & consequences for the teacher involved. What she was teaching those children simply isn't true. Then she told the child her opinion is wrong. Surely every teacher knows every child is entitled to an opinion. It's the very basis of debate.

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