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Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:10

Follow up and consequences doesn't mean prison.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:12

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:10

Follow up and consequences doesn't mean prison.

No I wouldn't go as far as prison but there needs to be follow up & consequences. As a mother reading that script I am furious at how that teacher devalues those girls & how condescending she is in the process.

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Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:13

I am too but I just think we don't need to start bringing her personal problems or her family into it or saying that she deserves to be in prison. What's wrong with paddle boarding anyway?!

FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 11:15

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:12

No I wouldn't go as far as prison but there needs to be follow up & consequences. As a mother reading that script I am furious at how that teacher devalues those girls & how condescending she is in the process.

The NHS disagree, fabricated induced illness is a crime, that's what has been recorded by the girls, the Teacher is inducing illness and fabricating.

It's no wonder the serious case reviews and government inquiry comes up with the same results.

It's not up to us, that's what safeguarding lessons decided before it was their own sacred Caste involved.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:17

@FedgeHund I didn't know that. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out so. I hope the girls parent's take it further & more parents encourage their dc to challenge teachers. I'm sure we'll be hearing plenty more cases like this before the year is out🤞

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Wiccan · 27/06/2023 11:18

Basically the teacher expressed that if the girls didn't agree with her then they weren't wanted at the school ! . Wow 😲 how is that inclusive ? . It wasn't too long ago that a teacher with that type of opinion would have had her ass kicked out of the school gate !.

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:19

It's "wrongthink". 1984. Conform with the part line or we will make you.

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 11:20

*party

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:22

Wiccan · 27/06/2023 11:18

Basically the teacher expressed that if the girls didn't agree with her then they weren't wanted at the school ! . Wow 😲 how is that inclusive ? . It wasn't too long ago that a teacher with that type of opinion would have had her ass kicked out of the school gate !.

I want to know how exactly the teacher reached that conclusion. What gives her the authority on who to excludde from the school, was this the schools stance? Zero tolerance to any child who questions gender ideologies or was the teacher making the call off her own back?

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HarpyValley · 27/06/2023 11:24

ModestMoon · 27/06/2023 08:59

Have you guys not noticed how these claims are totally unsubstantiated? The child who identifies as a moon is on the hearsay of one pupil talking about an unnamed classmate. Same with all the others. Then the newspapers repeat the same stories. We're being duped, this absolutely is not a widespread phenomenon that we should be worried about.

There is also a massive difference between identifying as a literal cat, being a furry, and just messing around with how you present. Furries do not think that they are literal animals. It just suits right wind media to lump these kids together with furries because the furry community is full of dangerous sexual fetishes, many of whom target children.

But also, these kids do not think they are literally cats. They are just finding ways of expressing themselves, like goths do. We do them a disservice both when we ridicule them and when we take them too seriously. We also do them a disservice when we believe baseless rumours printed in trash newspapers.

But the point is not, ultimately, whether there are any actual children identifying as cats, moons, hatstands or anything else non-human in schools. The point is that the teacher recorded by the two girls in Rye was prepared to validate such a hypothetical identity; that she insisted there are three sexes and that she called the girls "despicable" for having a grasp on reality. Regardless of whether there are hordes of children cosplaying as furries, this teacher's reaction shows that batshit ideally can and has taken hold in schools. That's the point the Guardian article also misses (deliberately, I'd say, given their complete capitulation to identity politics).

Without the recording made by these girls, this would also be dismissed as hearsay and exaggeration. Of course the likes of the Sun and Mail are seizing the opportunity for some good old anti-woke scaremongering and moral outrage, but the fact remains that there are teachers in the school system today prepared to threaten children with exclusion - O, the irony! - for understanding biology and to validate utter batshit. Given the reach of Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence and the like when it comes to legally-illiterate D&I training over the last few years, she will not be the only one.

HarpyValley · 27/06/2023 11:26

*batshit ideology, not ideally.

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 11:28

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/06/2023 10:48

I don't see how anyone can read that and not understand that the issue was about a child being challenged about identifying as a cat.

so I said how can you identify as a cat when you’re a girl?

This is simple and irrefutable. It’s quite something we’re at the stage where it’s problematic to say

Wiccan · 27/06/2023 11:29

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:22

I want to know how exactly the teacher reached that conclusion. What gives her the authority on who to excludde from the school, was this the schools stance? Zero tolerance to any child who questions gender ideologies or was the teacher making the call off her own back?

It makes you wonder doesn't it ? . Is it the overall veiw if the school or is it rogue teaching . Either way those girls should be really proud of how they handled the discussion.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 11:36

@Wiccan it's a bold statement from the teacher to make. Has she had guidence to say if children don't agree with gender ideology they will be excluded from the school? This statement needs investigating. If I was a parent at that school I would want to know if exclusion from the school the consequence my child faces for stating factually that there are two sex M & F. And for correcting a teacher who says there is 3 because she says intersex is a sex.

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Wiccan · 27/06/2023 11:37

HarpyValley · 27/06/2023 11:24

But the point is not, ultimately, whether there are any actual children identifying as cats, moons, hatstands or anything else non-human in schools. The point is that the teacher recorded by the two girls in Rye was prepared to validate such a hypothetical identity; that she insisted there are three sexes and that she called the girls "despicable" for having a grasp on reality. Regardless of whether there are hordes of children cosplaying as furries, this teacher's reaction shows that batshit ideally can and has taken hold in schools. That's the point the Guardian article also misses (deliberately, I'd say, given their complete capitulation to identity politics).

Without the recording made by these girls, this would also be dismissed as hearsay and exaggeration. Of course the likes of the Sun and Mail are seizing the opportunity for some good old anti-woke scaremongering and moral outrage, but the fact remains that there are teachers in the school system today prepared to threaten children with exclusion - O, the irony! - for understanding biology and to validate utter batshit. Given the reach of Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence and the like when it comes to legally-illiterate D&I training over the last few years, she will not be the only one.

Agree👏

whereaw · 27/06/2023 11:44

Also, to all the posters getting upset about the possibility of ridiculing children... let's again make clear that to be 'despicable' (as said by the teacher to the two girls) is to be 'worthy of contempt and hate'.

ModestMoon · 27/06/2023 12:06

The point is that the teacher recorded by the two girls in Rye was prepared to validate such a hypothetical identity; that she insisted there are three sexes and that she called the girls "despicable" for having a grasp on reality. Regardless of whether there are hordes of children cosplaying as furries, this teacher's reaction shows that batshit ideally can and has taken hold in schools. That's the point the Guardian article also misses (deliberately, I'd say, given their complete capitulation to identity politics).

Yeah, this is a good point. I think that the teacher is extremely confused. She also seems to think that it's homophobic to not affirm trans folk. And I actually agree with you that it is a problem to have such uninformed educators wielding so much power.

But I still do think that it does matter whether there are lots of children who are identifying as animals. If there are, then of course we have a big cultural problem. If there are not but we're reporting that there are, then we run the risk of making this reality come true. Furries do not identify as animals. There are a few role playing furry children. When we report stuff like this, we put it into kids' heads that they perhaps should identify as animals. And we also end up stigmitising and marginalising furry kids, who are already very vulnerable kids.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 12:08

@ModestMoon furrys might not but therians believe they are animals born in the wrong body. These are the ones with the cat ears, tails etc who make animal noises.

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cansu · 27/06/2023 19:15

Reading the mother's comments I would be wondering why she was texting her mum, why her mum was texting her back saying she should walk out and why she was recording. It really sounds like they were trying to set up the teacher. Typical daily mail sad face story.

EllaRaines · 27/06/2023 19:26

Remove your child out of any school that allows this.

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 27/06/2023 22:03

IncomingTraffic · 27/06/2023 07:55

It’s like a somewhat alarming stress test to a system. Pick a case that seems too extreme and where you’d assume everyone’s response will be ‘haha. No’ and find to your alarm that isn’t the unanimous response. Some people will go into ‘identities are sacred and must be respected’ mode.

Then you need to really worry about what’s happening where it’s even slightly less obviously absurd.

That’s much more important than whether there is an epidemic of cat-identified teenagers.

100% this.

Bosky · 28/06/2023 05:27

LuluBlakey1 · 27/06/2023 00:20

I work in the North-East for a local authority as an advisor in behaviour/attendance/guidance and support headteachers. We checked with every school in our authority last week. There is not a single child identifying as an animal, other than the usual primary school kids running round the playground at break as dinosaurs/horses/barking/making car noises etc for 10 minutes.
DH works in a neighbouring authority as a secondary school head. His LA have done the same with the same outcome.

Not saying it is all made up (most of it will be in the Mail and the Sun) but if it is happening it is very rare.

What was the question?

"There are ridiculous stories going around that schools are encouraging children to identify as animals. There's nothing like that going on in your school, I hope?"
or

"I would like to be reassured that your school respects children's identities. How are you supporting children who identify as animals or wish to come to school in an animal costume or dressed as a Furry?"

I realise that these are ludicrously bad questions if a LA wants to avoid priming schools for the desired response.

It would be potentially outing to disclose what you and your neighbouring LA actually said but could you give a general idea?

A more reliable picture of what is going on might be to ask Ed Psych's what they know.

Or ask parents to contact the LA if they have any concerns in this respect about the schools their children attend?

Bosky · 28/06/2023 05:35

WheresTheLambSauce · 26/06/2023 23:27

Furries are generally an artistic and hobbyist group, like cosplayers - people who dress up as their favourite fictional characters, for fun. The majority of those in the furry community busy themselves with creating artwork or costumes. It's an exercise in creativity, not a ploy to convert the youth into demanding the school serve up their lunches in a dog bowl.

The Sun and the Daily Mail are doing what they do best - Whipping up sensational stories to feed on anxieties and fears.

This article is an interesting read.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/26/girl-didnt-identified-as-a-cat-post-truth-politics-media-gender-identity

The Guardian? Are you serious? You might as well cite Pink News.

Bad Journalism on ‘Furries’ Has Let Down Children and Animals
Nov 8, 2021 - 4W
Journalists failed to connect "furrydom" to child abuse and animal torture and irresponsibly promoted the community as safe for children.

https://4w.pub/bad-journalism-on-furries/

Bad Journalism on ‘Furries’ Has Let Down Children and Animals

Journalists failed to connect "furrydom" to child abuse and animal torture and irresponsibly promoted the community as safe for children.

https://4w.pub/bad-journalism-on-furries

Lightningstrikess · 28/06/2023 06:08

@Bosky thanks for that arrival link. Crikey, that is absolutely petrifying.

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