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ArabeIIaScott · 27/08/2023 17:28

Good.

MichelleScarn · 27/08/2023 17:30

ArcaneWireless · 27/08/2023 10:11

Aye. Gaun yersels America.

Just pitiful that this country didn’t hold him to account properly.

Yep, poor wee lamb he is for not knowing that rape is not a nice thing.

Dianbeatthis · 27/08/2023 17:51

Thank fuck for that! At least he’s had some repercussions for his crime - shame it had to come from the US visa system rather than from Scotland’s criminal justice system. Is there still a chance his ‘diversion’ will be reviewed?

ArcaneWireless · 27/08/2023 18:07

And a six week course in what I wonder?

Surely he knows what he has done wrong and how he should behave.

SinnerBoy · 27/08/2023 18:21

Hoardasurass · Today 09:22

It would seem that the American government has given the victim of this rape a little justice by refusing to give this alleged rapist a visa.

I'll allow myself a bitter, empty laugh.

MoltenLasagne · 27/08/2023 18:50

It has been known for donkeys years that the thrill of getting away with an act causes sexual offenders to escalate. It's why things like flashing, voyeurism etc should be zero tolerance crimes - because it can work to stop the escalation.

Instead we seem to be doing the exact opposite and giving the green light to rapists. They may as well say you get your first rape free because it's having the same effect.

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ArabeIIaScott · 10/09/2023 09:39

WTF

WickedSerious · 10/09/2023 10:22

Oh for fuck's sake.

What's the matter with these people?

GoatsareGOAT · 10/09/2023 10:24

Scotland - where we respect the rights of rapists 🤬

DuesToTheDirt · 11/09/2023 21:04

Oh terrific. Angry

dimorphism · 11/09/2023 21:12

Hoardasurass · 10/09/2023 09:21

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/rules-allowing-young-sex-offenders-30848113?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
And the review has been done and rapist under 18 will still not be prosecuted because the un says they can't apparently. Funny that this only happens in Scotland and no other country in the world

Well that's Scotland off the list of places I want to take my daughters on holiday then.

And agree with PP - allow men to get away with it and they'll escalate to worse crimes.

PorcelinaV · 11/09/2023 21:59

"But prosecutors now admit diversion from prosecution will remain as an option in any prosecution policy covering children accused of rape because of the UN ­Convention on Rights of the Child, which means offenders under 18 must be offered an alternative to criminal prosecution."

I would suggest just withdrawing from it, but it seems like it's not even law in Scotland yet?

Trying to implement something like this in domestic law, if you even want to do it at all, I think you need safeguards to protect the democratic system like holding a referendum on it in the first place and being able to stop any crazy judicial decisions.

Or in this case, you put something in there making sure children are still held to be criminally responsible when they are over the age of 8 or whatever. I think it's 12 in Scotland and that is way too high imo.

ArabeIIaScott · 11/09/2023 22:04

WickedSerious · 10/09/2023 10:22

Oh for fuck's sake.

What's the matter with these people?

They hate women.

Zodfa · 11/09/2023 22:22

Offer them an alternative to prosecution then, if that's what the UN wants. Face in every newspaper and the word RAPIST tattooed on their face would be a good start. Castration another option.

PorcelinaV · 11/09/2023 22:38

I'm guessing the "Why do this?" is along the lines that the left just thinks it's more compassionate to be less punitive.

They may also genuinely believe that at a younger age people have a much reduced responsibility even for such serious crimes.

Also I would suspect many on the left don't believe in free will (stronger sense) or moral responsibility. People are basically victims of the universe and circumstances when they commit crimes. It's a mistake to then want to punish criminals, other than as a deterrent or maybe for public safety to keep them away from the public.

Or alternatively, people are seen as having reduced responsibility because they are the victims of socio-economic inequality, or racism, or whatever else.

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Hoardasurass · 11/09/2023 22:54

PorcelinaV · 11/09/2023 21:59

"But prosecutors now admit diversion from prosecution will remain as an option in any prosecution policy covering children accused of rape because of the UN ­Convention on Rights of the Child, which means offenders under 18 must be offered an alternative to criminal prosecution."

I would suggest just withdrawing from it, but it seems like it's not even law in Scotland yet?

Trying to implement something like this in domestic law, if you even want to do it at all, I think you need safeguards to protect the democratic system like holding a referendum on it in the first place and being able to stop any crazy judicial decisions.

Or in this case, you put something in there making sure children are still held to be criminally responsible when they are over the age of 8 or whatever. I think it's 12 in Scotland and that is way too high imo.

The Scottish government tried to bring in the UNs rights of the child but the bill was blocked under section 33 (the Scottish government doesn't have the powers to bring such a bill ie its not a devolved matter) they even went to crt over it and lost (keeps happening with snp bills 4+ and the next goes to crt on Monday).
The fact that they are using non existing rights as an excuse to refuse to prosecute rapist says everything about what they think women and girls are worth.

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NumberTheory · 12/09/2023 03:33

The UN convention on the rights of the child does not seem to say that there must be an alternative to prosecution or to jail. Only that jail should be a last resort. It does say that children should be protected form violence and sexua abuse - which Scotland seem far less concerned about.

ArabeIIaScott · 12/09/2023 07:03

Most victims will be female and virtually all perpetrators male, of course.

So their decision to favour one sex over the other is very clear.

Rights respecting to the nth degree, so long as you're the right sex. Forgiveness, understanding and magnanimity of youthful male sex crimes.

The other sex may be victims but they can go and cry to Rape Crisis, where they may be counselled by a male who will educate them out of their bigotry should they question his womanliness.

A victim should respect her oppressor.

She might contact the one service set up for women that guarantees a male free space. (And of course the woman who set that service up has received so many rape and death threats she could 'paper [her] house' with them.)

Thanks to a handful of tenacious and brave women in Scottish Labour, she may ask for a female examiner should she press charges - although there may not actually be one about as not enough have been recruited.

Then she can take her chances with the police and the courts, and we know how that goes with rape cases. If she requires hospital treatment she may or may not get a female ward that is male free.

And throughout all of this she must be extra careful not to commit any hate crime against people of the male sex, because of course the protection for hate crimes against women doesn't exist - although it does for men who say they are women.

And while she may have been violently assaulted and her assailant given a wee warning, the police may take her to court for misgendering or being untoward about paedophiles.

The worst thing about male violence is it makes men look bad, and this is why strenuous efforts are made to stop women from talking about their subjugation.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 12/09/2023 07:32

Arabella for Lord Advocate, CMO and Chief Mammy

ArabeIIaScott · 12/09/2023 07:39

Aw thanks, Tunnocks. I'll need a cup of coffee first.

Dianbeatthis · 12/09/2023 10:16

ArabeIIaScott · 12/09/2023 07:03

Most victims will be female and virtually all perpetrators male, of course.

So their decision to favour one sex over the other is very clear.

Rights respecting to the nth degree, so long as you're the right sex. Forgiveness, understanding and magnanimity of youthful male sex crimes.

The other sex may be victims but they can go and cry to Rape Crisis, where they may be counselled by a male who will educate them out of their bigotry should they question his womanliness.

A victim should respect her oppressor.

She might contact the one service set up for women that guarantees a male free space. (And of course the woman who set that service up has received so many rape and death threats she could 'paper [her] house' with them.)

Thanks to a handful of tenacious and brave women in Scottish Labour, she may ask for a female examiner should she press charges - although there may not actually be one about as not enough have been recruited.

Then she can take her chances with the police and the courts, and we know how that goes with rape cases. If she requires hospital treatment she may or may not get a female ward that is male free.

And throughout all of this she must be extra careful not to commit any hate crime against people of the male sex, because of course the protection for hate crimes against women doesn't exist - although it does for men who say they are women.

And while she may have been violently assaulted and her assailant given a wee warning, the police may take her to court for misgendering or being untoward about paedophiles.

The worst thing about male violence is it makes men look bad, and this is why strenuous efforts are made to stop women from talking about their subjugation.

So true and so grim. Maybe I’ll print this out and have it by the door for when the SNP come knocking at the next election.

dimorphism · 12/09/2023 10:59

NumberTheory · 12/09/2023 03:33

The UN convention on the rights of the child does not seem to say that there must be an alternative to prosecution or to jail. Only that jail should be a last resort. It does say that children should be protected form violence and sexua abuse - which Scotland seem far less concerned about.

Really good point. They do like to cherry pick the law, it seems. Arguably they are not protecting children from sexual abuse if they allow sexual abusers to go back into society to abuse again.

PorcelinaV · 12/09/2023 11:12

Most victims will be female and virtually all perpetrators male, of course.

But quite possibly they don't just apply the policy to sexual assault/rape.

If it's applied to violent crime in general, then the victim's sex I'm thinking would be balanced between male and female. Probably the perpetrators are male.

If we say that a policy has disproportionate impact on females, I still wouldn't jump to thinking it was motivated by hatred or thinking females were of little worth, unless you could rule out other motivations.

Also, many of the political class that would support this would be females themselves. For me, I'm guessing that they just don't care about crime victims in general, or their ideology is against punishment in general, rather than thinking that females would have a hidden motivation of hatred of women.