Rape decriminalised in Scotland

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/alleged-teen-rapist-avoids-justice-30315356?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Does anyone know what we can do about this

If we say that a policy has disproportionate impact on females, I still wouldn't jump to thinking it was motivated by hatred or thinking females were of little worth, unless you could rule out other motivations.

I would really like that to be the case. Never attribute to malice what could be explained by stupidity, etc.

It is a little bit hard looking at the overall picture of how rape is treated, using all the facets of a victim's experience as I've listed above, and not conclude that it stems from a society steeped in and built on the hatred of women.

There is a possibility that it is merely a disregard for women, an inability to see women or their suffering. The point of whether failing repeatedly to see that women are human is the same as actively hating women is one that could be argued.

But a judge who is aware of both the rapist and his victim and prioritises the male's career over the woman's suffering?

I can't draw any other conclusion.

But then you could get into arguments about how well punishment works as a deterrent.

The left / liberals are likely to take a position that tougher punishments don't benefit society and don't protect people from crime. They might argue that sending young people to prison could actually be very detrimental to society and you want to avoid that.

It's also unlikely that they would agree to using the (very controversial) justification of just locking people up until you don't think they are a threat anymore. Especially when we are talking under 18.

Personally I would support locking people up using the retributive theory of punishment, but lefties often think that this is terribly backwards and "mere revenge" and we need a more enlightened and progressive justice system.

You can't say to them, "What about the victims?", "You aren't giving them justice".

Because they simply don't share that concept of justice and punishment. They believe themselves to be on a higher moral plane.

'just locking people up until you don't think they are a threat anymore'

Personally, I think that's fine, but the problem is in knowing when that time comes.

We did use that approach in England and Wales but they largely abandoned it.

It may still apply to something like a life sentence.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/dec/03/indefinite-sentences-the-greatest-single-stain-on-justice-system

it presents a very difficult moral dilemma. You effectively are pre-judging someone for a crime they've not committed. Works for the most extreme cases, perhaps.

This is so well thought out. I am just wondering if you live in the area ?

Surprise surprise rape is up in Scotland https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/19/alarm-bells-as-sexual-and-violent-crimes-surge-in-scotland/

If the government repeatedly makes it clear they will protect men over women that's exactly what you'd expect to happen.

Yep and you know thing's are really badly fucked up when the tories and Labour agree with each other over any problem

A Times article about the rapist appealing against his conviction.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rapist-who-avoided-jail-for-attacking-girl-is-victim-of-miscarriage-of-justice-3ntjnd7bm

Perhaps someone will have a share token, if not it has been archived.

I can’t read that article without a share token but is that a photo of him? He looks an arrogant, unashamed piece of work with his earrings and shades - how must his victim feel seeing him look so fucking untouchable after what he did.

And gloriawasright I’m not from the area but do live in the womanforsaken country of Scotland and am genuinely fearful for the women who live here.

The rape conviction rate UK wide is less than 1% so I think a radical change is long overdue..the CPS is not fit for purpose.

No, it's a different rapist. The victim in the Times article was only 13 and the one talked about in this thread the victim was 17.

It looks like there is a pattern forming with the handling of 17 year old rapists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-66937137

Share token www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6e9c83e4-5d4e-11ee-88d6-eacc4268cc5d?shareToken=d9439873c3b7809067056e5959d5efd4

The rapist in the Times article is a different one from the original post.
This one (times article) is Sean hogg he was convicted of 3 counts of rape and 2 counts of sexual assault against a 13 year old girl and was given 270 hours of community service but doesn't think he should even have that sentence (appeal over a to leanent sentence was refused by lady dorian (yes the same lord advocate that lied about Scottish law and refused to stop using diversion for rape)).

This is dreadful, that poor child. The initial sentence was bad enough but to have even that overturned? It shows very clearly how little the legal establishment value women and girls.

So Sean Hogg's appeal has succeeded. His conviction has been quashed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67076504

Smirking fucker.

I just read that story myself. Utterly sickening, him & the whole system, frankly. But not to worry, the victim can be retraumatised if new evidence magically becomes available in the future: hurrah!

What the actual fuck is going on?

Donald Findlay KC is probably the most highly regarded criminal defense lawyer in Scotland.

Wtf

That’s horrific!

Oh Fuck… that’s appalling. My thoughts go out to his victim. And my thoughts go out to every single woman living in the misogynist shit storm that is Scotland.

Good grief, community service for raping a young girl twice. I'm quite glad that I didn't take a job in Aberdeen, some years back.