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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

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Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 00:16

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

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Dillydollydingdong · 25/06/2023 12:11

I expect most people feel as I do? (I may be wrong). Gay people can be gay if they want to. I just haven't got an opinion one way or the other. It's not something to be ashamed of and neither is it something to be proud of. It just is. Trans is a bit different because it affects the rest of us. Especially if transwomen want to invade female spaces.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:17

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 12:08

So no, you don't have any evidence at all beyond "my friends said". Which is not even evidence.

Calls on social media mean bugger all since they clearly didn't work.

But if you like social media, have some actual video evidence from the day:

https://twitter.com/Feljin_J/status/1672694497422065670?t=zc8Z222cPLtLWm4YzTRj7w&s=19

https://twitter.com/Hanelizaa/status/1672582974326419456?t=3F2IvtbbqIlhZL7w3_CAow&s=19

You are spreading total hogwash and have bugger all to back it up.

Spreading total hogwash? 😂 I can give a million & one examples of types of "total hogwash" being spread at a the moment. None of it is true or scientifically possible but it truthfully is hogwash😂

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Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:18

Dillydollydingdong · 25/06/2023 12:11

I expect most people feel as I do? (I may be wrong). Gay people can be gay if they want to. I just haven't got an opinion one way or the other. It's not something to be ashamed of and neither is it something to be proud of. It just is. Trans is a bit different because it affects the rest of us. Especially if transwomen want to invade female spaces.

The trans & furry community are completely different to the lbg community. They need to seperate from each other.

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Flickersy · 25/06/2023 12:27

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:17

Spreading total hogwash? 😂 I can give a million & one examples of types of "total hogwash" being spread at a the moment. None of it is true or scientifically possible but it truthfully is hogwash😂

Great, but I didn't ask you for any of that.

Do you have any actual, solid evidence that Dublin pride was "very poorly attended" as you asserted in your OP? Or will you admit that you're making the whole thing up based on wishful thinking and hearsay?

Prelapsarianhag · 25/06/2023 12:27

Society has sadly become much more homophobic in recent years.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:46

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 12:27

Great, but I didn't ask you for any of that.

Do you have any actual, solid evidence that Dublin pride was "very poorly attended" as you asserted in your OP? Or will you admit that you're making the whole thing up based on wishful thinking and hearsay?

Yes from friends in the lgb community! They said the events were really badly attended compared to previous years😅 I keep having to repeat myself for you. I am a lot more likely to believe my friends over propoganda from social media!

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Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:51

Prelapsarianhag · 25/06/2023 12:27

Society has sadly become much more homophobic in recent years.

No it hasn't @Prelapsarianhag . Pride was about the lgb community who are co existing very happily in society..
Now we have subsections of the community who say you can identify as a girl or a boy or as a cat or a fox or a wolf people are going to be sceptical as it's biologically & physically impossible. To use a word @Flickersy used earlier which tickled me it's "hogwash"!
The furry & trans communities need their own parades & let the lgb have their pride back.

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Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:13

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:46

Yes from friends in the lgb community! They said the events were really badly attended compared to previous years😅 I keep having to repeat myself for you. I am a lot more likely to believe my friends over propoganda from social media!

Again, "my friends said" is not evidence.

I have given you several links from various national media sources as well as videos from social media.

You have provided nothing.

As for "propaganda on social media", you are the one with at least three alternative posting names on here that I have noticed, each one posting railing against Pride and certain individuals in the LGBTQ community. It's very transparent.

Out of the two of us, who is the one who seems to have the agenda?

Killeditwithkisses · 25/06/2023 13:13

My wife and I boycotted pride the last few years - it’s not about LGB anymore anyway. We fought for the right to get married, it’s done, the battle was won and now I feel that I just want to get on with my life. I don’t want to be othered. I don’t want to be noticed because of my sexual orientation, there are far more interesting aspects of my personality! I’m not ashamed or anything, I speak openly about my wife. I just don’t want my sexuality paraded around, it’s nobody’s business but my own.
I was completely appalled by what I saw on twitter at New York pride, it’s disgusting. I really worry that LGB people will suffer the consequences when the pushback comes.

LonginesPrime · 25/06/2023 13:14

Society has sadly become much more homophobic in recent years.

Yes, I agree - the rise in gender ideology undermines homosexuality to the point where the very definition has been queered to mean something else.

So whereas previously, everyone knew what it meant to be a gay person and that sexual orientation couldn't be changed and gay people were exclusively attracted to their own biological sex, now even Stonewall and many other LGBT organisations who used to advocate for gay rights are promoting the notion that some lesbians have biologically male bodies, which obviously undermines the whole idea that sexual orientation is about biological sex.

So now people are told (including by Stonewall) that lesbians can actually cope with penises (and often that there is something wrong with them and they may need psychological help for past trauma, etc if they can't entertain the idea of sleeping with someone with a penis), then it's hard for the general population to understand this completely new and confusing version of homosexuality.

I hear a lot more homophobia now from people, often in the context of advocating for gender ideology, but also more generally. And I think that spills over from homosexuality being discussed in far more confusing and vague, non-committal terms than it was even five years ago, when it was clear that lesbians can't - and shouldn't - be turned.

Now Stonewall have started pushing out the idea that lesbians can change to acclimatise to sleeping with biological makes if they really try, I feel it's given heterosexual men the exact ammunition they needed to use that argument to harass lesbians, because that's what "experts" on lesbianism such as Stonewall say about lesbianism.

I had a pansexual woman tell me that my being a lesbian was very closed-minded and exclusionary at a women's group recently. It's common to view homosexuality as transphobic now and people with homophobic views are empowered by that and becoming more vocal about it.

pickledandpuzzled · 25/06/2023 13:24

I don't understand how pansexuality is simultaneously an expectation and an identity.

Why are we all supposed to be open to sex with everyone/anyone, and having preferences is transphobic, yet still identify as one thing or another?

Essentially the assumption is unless you're queer (new meaning) you're a bigot.

Pixiedust1234 · 25/06/2023 13:30

My city's pride parade isn't during Pride month. We get that joy (of full road closures so city is unusable for any normal activity eg shopping or even driving/visiting anywhere) in September so they are doubling up. I've only seen an end aisle devoted to pride merchandise in Sainsburys so far but that might change once our council ramps it up later. Very TWAW.

Killeditwithkisses · 25/06/2023 13:32

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:13

Again, "my friends said" is not evidence.

I have given you several links from various national media sources as well as videos from social media.

You have provided nothing.

As for "propaganda on social media", you are the one with at least three alternative posting names on here that I have noticed, each one posting railing against Pride and certain individuals in the LGBTQ community. It's very transparent.

Out of the two of us, who is the one who seems to have the agenda?

Oh here we go, another “show me the evidence”. Spare me. We can all see exactly who is the one with the agenda

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:33

Killeditwithkisses · 25/06/2023 13:32

Oh here we go, another “show me the evidence”. Spare me. We can all see exactly who is the one with the agenda

I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum which dealt with facts and evidence, not made up rubbish.

SeaSaltAir · 25/06/2023 13:36

Oh here we go, another “show me the evidence”.

Who needs evidence when we have mobs and witch trials on our side!

SeaSaltAir · 25/06/2023 13:38

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:33

I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum which dealt with facts and evidence, not made up rubbish.

We only like facts and evidence when it goes in our favour. If facts are used to disprove our beliefs then all hell will break loose!

SidewaysOtter · 25/06/2023 13:42

watcherintherye · 25/06/2023 00:36

Well, Waitrose is up for it. There’s a special poster on display and you can buy a Waitrose Pride bag!

There have been mutterings in the press about “the dark side of Pride” or how “Pride has been co-opted by the trans/furry/kink communities” and that events are no longer suitable for families. Throw in people saying that they boycott Pride events and I can see companies slowly backing away from Pride sponsorship and celebration. Which in some ways is a shame, because Pride in its original form was a positive thing, but marketing departments will be copping on to the potential reputation damage of having your logo next to man in fetish gear talking to a toddler.

LonginesPrime · 25/06/2023 13:43

pickledandpuzzled · 25/06/2023 13:24

I don't understand how pansexuality is simultaneously an expectation and an identity.

Why are we all supposed to be open to sex with everyone/anyone, and having preferences is transphobic, yet still identify as one thing or another?

Essentially the assumption is unless you're queer (new meaning) you're a bigot.

Well exactly, because anything less than pansexuality excludes someone in the world of gender ideology.

Sexual orientation (and the legal protections formerly associated with it) went out of the window when biological sex was rebranded as gender identity.

SidewaysOtter · 25/06/2023 13:47

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:33

I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum which dealt with facts and evidence, not made up rubbish.

The PP who you’ve repeatedly jumped on has given the example of her friends saying that they’re boycotting Pride. Gay people stating they no longer attend Pride: what part of that isn’t a fact?

You can produce news articles and Tweets all you like but people’s real experiences are valid too - and just because there are a lot of people in the the pictures and videos posted doesn’t mean the numbers attending haven’t fallen from previous years. Context is everything.

BethDuttonsTwin · 25/06/2023 13:51

SeaSaltAir · 25/06/2023 08:27

I’m not surprised people are too scared to attend them tbh.

There was some anti gay marriage people protesting in Edinburgh this weekend. they posted photos of people attending the event, including families with children.

What sort of pervert is against marriage but pro taking pictures of random kids. It’s a scary world.

They are not “scared to attend them” 🙄

They are distancing themselves from events which are no longer fit for the purpose they were created for.

In addition they probably don’t want hairy arses in Chaps at their toddlers eye level, or “Furries” getting their rocks off at attention from little kids who don’t understand their agenda and are thus being forced unknowingly into partaking in an adult’s sexual fetish!

Theunamedcat · 25/06/2023 13:53

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:33

I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum which dealt with facts and evidence, not made up rubbish.

Peoples eyes count not just close ups from a newspaper if they are saying its not as well attended as previous years why wouldn't that be truthful?

If I tell uou that apart from a few tshirts with a very small rainbow coloured word saying pride is in my local supermarket who are you to call me a liar? Your not in my supermarket your not attending every pride event your just literally believing everything you read in the papers

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 13:56

SidewaysOtter · 25/06/2023 13:47

The PP who you’ve repeatedly jumped on has given the example of her friends saying that they’re boycotting Pride. Gay people stating they no longer attend Pride: what part of that isn’t a fact?

You can produce news articles and Tweets all you like but people’s real experiences are valid too - and just because there are a lot of people in the the pictures and videos posted doesn’t mean the numbers attending haven’t fallen from previous years. Context is everything.

Ok great. Well my friends say that Pride has never been better attended.

Who is right?

Anyone can post anything on here. That doesn't make it evidence, or true.

The sky is green. Trans women are women. Etc.

I've provided third party evidence from many different sources. All OP has is "my friends say".

notsurewherenotsurewhy · 25/06/2023 13:58

I am a lesbian and have been going to various UK pride marches/events since my teens (so 20 years now).

Pride was already a growing corporate 'thing' long before I came along, esp the big city ones, but that has absolutely mushroomed. Alongside that, the change in public attitude towards LGB people over those 20 years has sent both the attendance numbers and the commercial appeal for sponsors etc skyrocketing. Straight people (genuinely straight, not spicies etc which is a slightly different issue) see it as a nice cultural day out to join in with. Which is both a mark of progress (people positively want to hang out with the gays! People aren't offended if they're mistaken for gays any more!) and also, IMO, a bit of a nuisance. Obviously you can't police Pride (and I wouldn't want to), and not everyone will agree with me, but I feel that it's for us, not them. Because even now I think for a lot of LGB people, coming out is STILL a really big deal, and Pride as a concept is relevant. There is still plenty of gay shame to be exorcised, sadly.

So in that sense, I think Pride attendance numbers are due a bit of a correction.

Major companies deciding this isn't the thing for their money - perhaps also due a correction. Perhaps they see toxic issues emerging wrt the TQ+ part of Pride. Perhaps a party atmosphere doesn't chime with their view of the consumer market in a world which is in debt, at war, in financial and climate crisis. Perhaps they're on the lookout for the next big thing. Maybe a bit of all of these things.

I've swerved Pride in recent years. I'm really done with the forced teaming and being expected to happily align with all this #LwiththeT whatever. The fact that I believe TWANW is not the focal part of my political beliefs, I don't actually want to dramatically part company with all LGBT politics and campaigns over this, but there doesn't seem to be any neutral space left. On top of all the corporate sponsors (Barclays Bank at the front of London Pride ffs 🤮) and the crowds of straight people, this obsession with performing trans inclusion has felt like the last straw.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 13:58

Killeditwithkisses · 25/06/2023 13:13

My wife and I boycotted pride the last few years - it’s not about LGB anymore anyway. We fought for the right to get married, it’s done, the battle was won and now I feel that I just want to get on with my life. I don’t want to be othered. I don’t want to be noticed because of my sexual orientation, there are far more interesting aspects of my personality! I’m not ashamed or anything, I speak openly about my wife. I just don’t want my sexuality paraded around, it’s nobody’s business but my own.
I was completely appalled by what I saw on twitter at New York pride, it’s disgusting. I really worry that LGB people will suffer the consequences when the pushback comes.

You sound just like my friends. Pride no longer represents them & they want no association with it. They are living their best lives very happy & don't want to be lumped in with the trans & furry community.

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SeaSaltAir · 25/06/2023 14:01

BethDuttonsTwin · 25/06/2023 13:51

They are not “scared to attend them” 🙄

They are distancing themselves from events which are no longer fit for the purpose they were created for.

In addition they probably don’t want hairy arses in Chaps at their toddlers eye level, or “Furries” getting their rocks off at attention from little kids who don’t understand their agenda and are thus being forced unknowingly into partaking in an adult’s sexual fetish!

Wrong! I’ve spoken to people who specifically said that they are scared to attend because of the anti pride movement.

They don’t want to expose themselves or their children to protester who are claiming a lesbian marriage isn’t valid. They don’t want strangers taking photos of their children and putting it on social media.

That is exactly what they are scared of.

Why does no one take women seriously whey they say they are scared?