Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

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This is in the US, I hope she wins, this could be the beginning of the end for this gender ideology driven medical abuse over there:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/girl-sues-hospital-for-removing-her-breasts-at-age-13-post_5335492.html

So if there are 99 happy transitioners and 1 unhappy transitioner does this make surgical transition a good thing for children?

We need to define happy really.

Wouldn't we assume that someone allegedly happy being incontinent, not being able to raise their arms above their heads having crumbling spines at 15 and having to spend their whole life dilating an open wound so it didn't heal, would not really be of sound mind ?

How are you measuring happy and over what time frame? Could their”happiness” have been achieved in a manner that didn’t cause life long medical issues (both physical and mental) not to mention cost both financial and societal

We want trans people to have the best healthcare possible just like everyone else

In order to have the absolute best healthcare possible, the fact that their natal sex is their sex is really important to aknowledge.

This lying is so damaging and misleading.

If trans people and activists truly believed it was the best care then they'd not shut down every study, investigation, meeting, discussion etc. Why be so afraid, I mean none of it would prove otherwise right ?

Because with the opposition, well it all looks more " misery loves company "

And what other medical treatment is the responsibility of anyone else beyond drs and family ?

If something doesn't work without the coerced involvement from non consenting members of the public would that not indicate that perhaps theres an issue?

Thank you for posting this . It is a very strange programme . Sad but also not quite what I expected , everyone seems so laid back about things as if it’s the most normal thing in the world . Being a girl just seems to mean make up and feminine clothes . Which boys can do anyway ? And it is not until later that the trans girl realises hormones make you feel strange and who is going to want to date basically a boy with breasts. But they are on the journey so how do you get off ?
ALso the surgeries , the medical people talk about them as if it’s the most natural thing. Have whatever ( you can pay for) and it will be fully functional ?

smoke and mirrors that’s what it is .

follow the money .

Define happy ? How will they know if they would had been happy without surgery or hormones and perhaps just a gay person ?

I still don’t get it because we live in a time where people can wear what they want and sleep with any consenting adult and basically be themselves without surgery and hormones.

The concept of what is feminine and masculine is so much more blurred without being sold a lie .

@Whatwouldscullydo , @OMG12

I clearly didn't express myself very well. What I meant was how many people who are 'happy' with their transition - whatever 'happy' means - are required to justify one kid who is thinking 'my life has been completely fucked up and cannot be unfucked'? Is it 10, 100 or 1,000? Or is it: No, the risk of just one fucked up kid is too great a risk to consider this treatment for children.

It's available here on iPlayer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05qkzt2/louis-theroux-specials-transgender-kids

This treatment should never be carried out on children they have not got the cognitive ability to make a fully informed decision

Well of course they can’t actually create a vagina, but the fake one is “better” if they have more of the skin of the penis. Basically they create a type of hole. Which is like an open wound. This then constantly tries to heal, so closing, and the boy has to insert a type of dildo into it every day to keep it from closing up. This is what they did to Jazz Jennings. Because of the hormones Jazz had to have several corrective surgeries as the first one was a disaster.

After the surgery the trans person discovers that hetro men are not interested in them because they are biologically male with a fake vagina, gay men like penis so they are missing that, lesbians don’t consider them a woman. They can’t reproduce, and quickly learn it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.

After the surgery the trans person discovers that hetro men are not interested in them because they are biologically male with a fake vagina, gay men like penis so they are missing that, lesbians don’t consider them a woman. They can’t reproduce, and quickly learn it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.

This is the bit that never seems to be explained adequately to young people embarking on 'transition'. That they will greatly reduce their chance of finding a partner. It's being sold as a way to make them happier in life by changing their bodies, but making them into an infertile facsimile of the opposite sex and impairing their sexual function is unlikely to lead to a happy outcome in the long run.

We agree.

Another clear reason why trans operations should not be allowed until a person is 18. Hopefully that will become the law.

I dont think they should be a thing at all

Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

There are far too many adults who either regret it or have nefarious reasons for it all.

Anyone who wants to destroy their healthy functioning body has problems no surgery can fix. Just no.

I am guessing these are all Republican states. Never did I ever think I would support US Republicans over US Democrats as a UK person looking on
Interesting that some of this dodgy 'transing of kids' started under the Obama Administration and Trump pushed it back a bit, for Biden to re-embrace it all on Day 1 of his election.

Yes I agree, nobody is 'born in the wrong body' and the NHS definitely should not be funding such barbaric unnecessary surgeries at any age.

Most 18 year olds also lack sufficient life experience to truly know the implications of such surgeries. Perhaps best not to offer them at all and definitely not waste public money on them.

Does anyone remember how genetically modified food was demonised successfully in the media by calling it 'Frankenstein food'?
The language around gender surgery needs to be more honest and less sugar-pill coated. It is not 'top surgery' it is the cutting off of both breasts etc

Yes I agree, nobody is 'born in the wrong body' and the NHS definitely should not be funding such barbaric unnecessary surgeries at any age

N0 one can seem to agree what it even is. Its NOT born in the wrong body. Its NOT stereotypes. Gender dysphoria dx not required. Its NOT a mental illness. We know alot about what it ISNT but nothing about what it actually is. Why are we operating on people when what they are suffering can't even be defined at a basic level

I agree with never using ‘top surgery’ again. Name it what it is. An elective double mastectomy for cosmetic purposes.

A double mastectomy that includes all the side effects of a double mastectomy. The tightening of scars, the itchiness of scars, the restriction of movement, the loss of breast function in the future. The pain.

Let’s fucking stop with the minimising. This is a brutal surgery. And it is being glamourised.

Exactly. A drastic and barbaric solution to something indefinable, it should never have been allowed and should be stopped.

I'm just watching it.

None of the kids really seem that bothered. They arent fussed talking about it. None appear to have any significant dysphoria The drs and parents are all projecting shit into them attemptingto justify what's going on. And nothing the kids are doing is anything they couldn't do as the sex they are.

This post is the equivalent of reading about someone who has had a dozen consecutive miscarriages and posting about how their relative had healthy triplets after their first time having sex 🙄 Read the fucking room.

This.

Whilst there are obviously parents who push this (Green, Jennings), other parents are being forced to comply.

The nightmare scenario of agreeing to transition your child or lose her/him forever is horrifying.