Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

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This is in the US, I hope she wins, this could be the beginning of the end for this gender ideology driven medical abuse over there:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/girl-sues-hospital-for-removing-her-breasts-at-age-13-post_5335492.html

My Australian niece identified as trans in her early teens. She was self-harming, suicidal and had intense gender dysphoria. She begged for a double mastectomy and changed her name to a boy's one. Thankfully, her mother sent her to a psychologist whom she saw for a year or more. She was diagnosed as autistic.
She is now 18, has reverted to her original name, presents as the female she is. More importantly, she is no longer suicidal or depressed.I am so grateful she didn't receive gender affirming care.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen the comment on twitter or other forum threads every time something terrible like this happens - " where are the feminists now"

No connection at all that no where will host the conversation. There are blocklists and police even being called.

And still its our fault that this stuff is happening 🙄

Money was behind the start of this nightmare ( Big Pharma etc) and hopefully money will be the end of it ( Court cases and massive pay-outs)

The madness isn't over yet. People are creating a network to arrange transportation for children to areas where they can get all the surgeries and hormones they desire.

Surely the people she should be suing are her parents?

Has anyone watched Louis Theroux's trans kids in America documentary? It was heartbreaking and horrifying in equal measure. 10 year old children on puberty blockers. One little girl was on the injections and rapidly becoming masculised. How in gods name are they allowed to do this?

fancreek, not necessarily. Many parents are told that they can either have a trans child or a dead child. They are given completely fallacious suicide statistics.
Children are also often groomed online by trans websites, and instructed to make a suicide attempt to blackmail their parents into supporting their application for puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.
The poor unwitting parents think they are acting in their children’s best interest by mutilating them.
There are of course a few “Munchausen by proxy” parents, and some homophobic ones who prefer a trans “daughter” to a gay son.

10 years of post transition euphoria seems to be common before reality sets back in. Maybe this young family member ( sounds like. female who is perhaps same sex attracted?) will remain at peace with their procedure, though it does seem a great shame that someone cannot embrace who they are and who they are sexually attracted to without having to take cross sex hormones not suited the to the natal body, and have such radical and disfiguring surgery?

One cannot change sex. Gender expression is not the same as sex. Sex still matters. especially for girls and women who have specific vulnerabilities on account of this sex.

Perhaps you could tell us if this is a male or female transitioner. There is a rather big difference in the impact of surgical options and of hormone treatment.

I think you will find that significant. And of the 4 cases of detransitioners suing that I know about , 3 are female. It is for the reason that female transition is brutal on a female body with life limiting results.

So, perhaps before any person puts stock into your post, perhaps you could clarify what sex your family member is, and what age they received surgery.

Because, you ‘other side of the story’ may be missing some very pertinent facts.

Good. I hope she wins a truckload of money

It is symbolic of a culture in a steep, decadent decline. The apotheosis of U.S style consumeristic individualism, aided and abetted by an only too willing pharmaceutical industry and by others who make a living out of other people's confusion and mental health issues.

fancreek, not necessarily. Many parents are told that they can either have a trans child or a dead child. They are given completely fallacious suicide statistics

I have also noticed from a couple of groups I used to be in that parents also seemed to be traumatised by reality. In that instead of seeing puberty for example in a 8/9/10 year old girls as on the younger side but normal, they seem freaked out and almost treating it like their child is no longer a child and others suggest the drugs to stop it all. I've seen Americans talk in documentaries and maybe its the people they pick but they seem very ott in what it all means as if puberty means that a child is no longer a child and its wrong that thrse natural changes are happening to them.. When a child is a child until 17 regardless of puberty status. Your kid having periods at 9 isn't the end of their childhood the way some parents seem to think it is. She's just a child who has periods. She can still have her Teddy fgs.

This can't happen soon enough. I wonder what's happening with the cases in the UK? I believe there are several law firms preparing class actions?

There is NEVER a good reason to remove healthy breasts. All those people who have affirmed her have a lot to answer for. She could have continued to present ‘as male’ without a mastectomy.

@Violasaremyfavourite Viola disguised herself as a man for her safety and to honour her brother whom she believed had died in the shipwreck that brought them both to Illyria. She was not transgender. Her late father's state was at war with Illyria . Another reason for her disguise. At the end of the play she relinquishes this disguise.

Maybe your username is a reference to the small flower,but don't presume posters won't 'pick up' said reference in relation to the topic you're posting on. Pl

There is NEVER a good reason to remove healthy breasts. All those people who have affirmed her have a lot to answer for. She could have continued to present ‘as male’ without a mastectomy

This is the issue I have with therapy to an extent tbh. Whereas I'm sure many find it useful and it's obviously necessary. Ultimately its a job where of u do it right no one needs you . Wheres the incentive to do it right when its repeat attendance that gets you paid .

I hope the lawsuits are successful as they may be the only thing that stops this tragedy getting worse. In an earlier thread, it was said this rapid transition was now mainstream in the US, thus making it difficult for potential court cases as it was difficult to argue negligence if the medics followed a standard pathway.

If ten children are mutilated and nine of them regret it after ten years, the fact that the other child has not come to regret it yet doesn’t make that child’s mutilation a success story.

And did this relative of yours make the decisions and commit to the surgery at the age of 13?

This isn't a different side. It's good that your family member has found some peace but it's the peace of someone who is living as a lifelong patient with ongoing medical issues, self induced obviously, and whilst of course it's possible to have a happy and fulfilled life with ongoing medical conditions that doesn't mean it's not better to avoid them. Various different things may be going on including things like osteoporosis, elevated risk of early heart attack - lots of potential complicated things that can develop because the body's integrated systems have been needlessly damaged. The question is not so much "are they happy" but rather "would they have been just as happy, and incidentally living with less chronic pain and ongoing medical interventions, if they had lived in a less sexist and homophobic culture and could have just learned to accept themselves and their body and lived life to the full without needing such surgery"

So this would suggest that your family member had gender dysphoria and transitioning alleviated it?

What did the psychologist say was the cause of their gender dysphoria?

Here's an alternative:
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Sorry for the original link, I'd forgotten that my ad blocker removes paywalls / signup nags.

What's mind boggling about the lack of logic is that tattoos are illegal until you're 18, drinking alcohol is illegal until 21 in the USA (18 here), getting married is illegal, in California they've just said children can't use tanning salons, driving illegal for children etc (even though many are big enough by about 13) - so all of these things are illegal for children because they're deemed incapable of good decisions and can't weigh benefit and risk. But cutting off healthy body parts, removing function for life, and taking experimental, extremely strong drugs with known lifelong side effects, apparently fine.

Society has lost its collective mind on this one issue alone.

The people supporting this would have absolutely been supporting lobotomising kids if it were a different time.

I do think there's a wider agenda at play to make it seem children can consent to things they quite blatantly can't really consent to. Child safeguarding is at risk.

This poor, poor girl, I hope she has a very good team of people supporting her. I don't know how you ever recover from such mutilation by adults who should know better.

And yes, so many whistleblowers coming forward saying that the counselling children receive is actually affirmation and is almost indoctrination - telling children there is only one solution to their problems (involving getting healthy body parts removed), with alternative options such as watchful waiting never explored.

@Freefall212 Thank you for your very thoughtful post.

At the end of the Mail article there's a discussion about how a detransitioner wants her chest 'reconstructed' but so little discussion always about how function is lost. Breastfeeding isn't possible with silicone breasts. It's not the same, it might look superficially the same, but it's not the same, there are no milk ducts.

The FDA doesn’t approve breast implants for under 18’s conscious about having a flat chest, but they’re happy to remove entirely the breasts of a 13 year old.

@dimorphism that would make a nice infographic.