Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

[zibzibara]

This is in the US, I hope she wins, this could be the beginning of the end for this gender ideology driven medical abuse over there:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/girl-sues-hospital-for-removing-her-breasts-at-age-13-post_5335492.html

I thought similar.

If you have been praised and affirmed and told how "stunning" and "brave" you are, and have seen your family's grief when you insist that his is what you need and it is the only thing that will make you a complete person and your "authentic" self, then admitting "I was wrong. I wish I had kept my natural, sexed body. I am sick of taking hormones every day. My body hurts and it's getting worse. I regret throwing away my fertility and my chance of sexual pleasure. I wish I'd left nature alone", is going to be very difficult.

It doesn't just involve your own grief and pain, but your parents' and other family members, too, may blame themselves and be conflicted in their emotions. It's not a simple admission to make.

She was 13.

13!

If a 13 year old wants a tattoo, you say no.

If a 13 year old wants to drive a car, you say no.

If a 13 year old wants to buy cigarettes, you say no.

If a 13 year old wants IVF, you say no.

If a 13 year old wants to leave school and get a job/join the circus, you say no.

If a 13 year old wants to buy a whisky in a pub, you say no.

It doesn't matter how determined they are. The law is that they are not old enough to make that decision.

Several of these things have much less serious consequences than irreversible major surgery. So you say no. The next surgeon, and the next, and the next should say no.

THIS. ABSOLUTELY THIS. How did we end up with a f*cked-up ideology that sanctions underage children to be subjected to FGM because they believe they want it?

IMHO treatment (whether surgery, hormones or puberty blockers) should be given to under-18s. No matter how much they ask for it. End of. The teenage years are tumultous and no child should be allowed to do irreversable medical damage to themselves. If, at 18, they still feel they are trans after going through puberty (as those with genuine gender dysphoria would) then by all means they can decide to crack on with treatment.

“So far as I know, the young person has not had a single regret a decade later.”

well if you want a list I can point you to a LOT of de transitioners who are really suffering and because of hormones and surgery have very low enjoyment of life and on top of that guilt for what they did , all because they had inadequate guidance or counselling from the professionals. I can give you names if you want ?

When I was young we just labelled ourselves Trotskyists or Marxists, now people are trans or non binary.

When I was a teenager, I - like a lot of my friends - wore a lot of shapeless hippy stuff and wafted around the place in black nail varnish and enough dark eye make up to make me look like a panda that had been in a fight. I didn't have bits of me cut off...

That is what the current government have ruled thank goodness . Lots of other countries offering it though .

Did not the lady from Mermaids get surgery on her son abroad ?

I didn't want children in my 20s.

I certainly didn't want to bf and I had forgotten that I'd been breastfed till the age of 3.

Decided I wanted children in my 30s and became an avid breastfeeding advocate a week after my first child was born.

First was fed 3.5 years and second till 4.

There are so many ethical issues around this and it's not the same as advocating for hysterectomies for those suffering from menstrual issues. Completely different topic. As is abortion and contraception.

This is plastic surgery based on aesthetic ideals, sexism and homophobia.

What role do the parents play in this. Why is her first action against the doctors and not her parents who failed to safeguard her from this ideology, whether it was online or anywhere else.
Why did they fail her?

When I was young we just labelled ourselves Trotskyists or Marxists, now people are trans or non binary.

When I was a teenager, I - like a lot of my friends - wore a lot of shapeless hippy stuff and wafted around the place in black nail varnish and enough dark eye make up to make me look like a panda that had been in a fight. I didn't have bits of me cut off...

Quite. The most we did was henna tattoos of the peace symbol. Knowing full well that they washed off...

Did not the lady from Mermaids get surgery on her son abroad ?

Yes, on the child's 16th birthday. IIRC the Thai authorities were so horrified by it that they changed the law to stop it happening again to so young a person.

And, as we all know, Susie Green went on to be CEO of Mermaids who advocate for lots of other young people to have access to puberty blockers, surgery etc.

In my conspiracy theory moments I also blame the formula industry. Though I dare anyone to read 'the politics of breastfeeding' and deny that it's a possibility.

You have to remember what parents are told. So often they are told that they have to "affirm" (i.e. agree with) everything their child is saying otherwise they're "transphobic".

They're also told that children who want to change sex/identify as the other sex are at a very high risk of suicide*. They can be asked "Do you want a dead child or a trans one?"

What parent, faced with a distressed child who you've just been told is at a high risk of killing themselves, isn't going to do whatever they're told to do by medical practitioners and support groups?

(*this doesn't seem to be borne out in any statistics I've seen)

I am in exactly the same boat as you. I found out in January and am outwardly supportive for the sake of their mental health but inside I am struggling.

Great to see this on the first page of trending!

Definitely how you come for the baby feeding and end up becoming a terf 😂

So pleased for them, who doesn’t want their family members to be happy. I just hope they are as happy when the painful , debilitating and irreversible effects of taking hormonal drugs kick in in the future. Osteoporosis, excess hair, vaginal atrophy and thinning of internal vaginal tissue, excess of potassium, blood clots…….

Every single cell in your body is designed to regulate and use the hormones that they need to function. Your body naturally produces the hormones that it needs according to your sex. When you start introducing cross sex hormones that are not what your body needs to function, and which either stop or elevate hormones in your body well, that’s when your body starts to react and fight back. Badly.Painfully .Permanently.

Not at all, it seems to be by design. Jennifer Bilek did some good research in her 11th Hour blog about the very rich men pushing this shit, and funding it.

There seems to be very little pushback or querying as to why young impressionable kids seem hell bend on life altering surgery (they need it like yesterday or they will kill themselves), whereas the males who decide to 'transition' later in life just need to put on a skirt and lipstick, no surgery required or demanded.
These are autogynephillic males who are playing out their sexual fetish in public, and demanding everyone take part. But obviously that doesn't sound great to their coworkers etc. (hey, I want to wear women's underwear to work so I can jerk off later), so they need another more palatable explanation - I'm becoming my true self etc...

So instead, these men have basically laid the groundwork for trans kids, so that they can claim that their fetish is innate (and therefore more socially acceptable to everyone else). And of course, pharmaceutical companies are happy to profit from it.

These young people are just collateral damage.

*bent

I've read posts from trans 'men', who seem to literally be circling the drain from the effects of testosterone. I think on reddit. It causes problems with iron levels and red cell counts putting them at extremely high risk of strokes. Claiming they can't give up 'the T', it'd be worse than death. There are voices saying fgs if you're lucky you'll die, but you're probably live with serious disabilities and a life blighted and destroyed. These voices are drowned out by idiots dismissing and minimising the seriousness of the situation. Comparing the testosterone level of a young woman with that of a man and saying it's the lower side of normal.

This is the caring community these girls are immersed in. They don't stand a chance. Someone needs to stop the harm. Doctors not speaking against this, who are actively encouraging and profiting from it should be struck off and jailed.

At what age are you ok with boys in early puberty getting castrated? Do that down the line surgery is easier. It’s not clear which later surgeries you think will be much easier ?

Thanks for posting this @zibzibara this is such an important case. I really hope she wins.

This is so true.

I had absolutely horrendous heavy and painful periods as a teen and definitely would’ve said I didn’t want children! If I could’ve ripped the lot out I would’ve.

(I didn’t end up actually wanting children at all until my late 20s when I met my husband!)

I hope she wins and gets an enormous payout.

how can they do this to children? It should be criminal

So instead, these men have basically laid the groundwork for trans kids, so that they can claim that their fetish is innate (and therefore more socially acceptable to everyone else). And of course, pharmaceutical companies are happy to profit from it

Which begs the question, what has to happen. We have drag kids talking to murderers , kids holding dog leashes of pvc clad men, we have toxic drugs being given to children, we have sports women injured by males ending their career, we have teenagers chopping off healthy body parts, the medical profession profiting left right and centre, ..and adult makes changing infront of little girls, what has to happen. How bad does it have to get until someone says " whoa hang on"

Theres more suspicion of extended warranties and vaccines than there is on this..

No, the other side of the story is that children shouldn’t be allowed to make a decision to transition. Giving hormone treatment and amputating breasts at age 13 is an abdication of the hypocratic oath in my view.

The formula industry has definitely badmouthed breastfeeding to up their sales.
Formula is excellent if you don’t have enough milk or cannot breastfeed for other reasons.

But Nestle promoting formula in developing countries (and in the West too) by «shaming» and making out that breastfeeding is a bit yuck/ruins your breasts etc - definitely a thing.

Poor girl. There is nothing that can excuse these butchers. I hope she thrashes them in court.