Girl Sues Hospital for Removing Her Breasts at Age 13

[zibzibara]

This is in the US, I hope she wins, this could be the beginning of the end for this gender ideology driven medical abuse over there:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/girl-sues-hospital-for-removing-her-breasts-at-age-13-post_5335492.html

Quite honestly, I don't know.

There are many people trying to ring the alarm, and many wonderful women on here have been trying for several years (I really wouldn't have known half of it if it weren't for FWR), but too many people are just looking away or pretending it's a 'niche' issue or not caring or not even actually seeing what's happening because the mainstream media doesn't really cover it. At least not in a balanced way.
We really need more men to stand up and speak out, as it's still seen as feminists bleating on about something...but they are not affected in the same way so a lot don't bother.
I think sadly there will be a lot more damage done before it starts turning around. This whole cohort of young people will start to push back in the next 5-10 years I think, when they figure out the reality of what is being pushed on them.

But that's why it's so sinister that this is being pushed in schools, and laws being swiftly changed in many countries. It's like as though there are certain interest groups who want to make changes before the general public has full awareness of what is really happening...

I get depressed thinking about it.

Detrans numbers are hard to find but a university in California does a big survey called the US Transgender Survey. It was done in 2009, then again in 2015, and again in fall of 2022 (Data not out yet).

In the 2015 survey 8% said the had detransitioned at least once (many reported due to social pressures or it was just too hard). It will be interesting to see if that number goes up. I saw a study that was done in 2020 (published in 2021) and they reported a 13% detransition at least once number.

The 2022 survey apparently had tens of thousands of responses so it might be an interesting data set.

Considering how badly de-transitioners are treated by the trans 'community' it's no wonder many don't speak publicly about it, they are like apostates or something.

The Californian state legislature is apparently in the process of passing a law which will give child services the authority to remove children from parents who refuse to ‘affirm’ their child’s chosen gender. It will be considered child abuse.

I agree with every word. A well thought out and balanced statement.
These are children.

This is interesting reading:
https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

And another reason why she should have a HUGE payout and all these creeps should be sued till kingdom come.

Just thinking the same thing myself..

A thought experiment.

A family member had dysmorphia: they claimed their legs didn't belong to them and wished to have them amputated. They had many, many sessions with a psychologist before any treatment at all could be started. It was not a matter of turning up and saying that they were disabled .The parents were initially shocked (major understatement there) but came to accept that their child truly was disabled - yes I understand they tried reasoning, and frankly everything they could think of to convince the child that her legs were just normal limbs. They told me they were haunted by the idea of later regrets.

Their child did have their legs amputated. They now use an electric wheelchair and are in a long standing relationship. They have friends. They are doing a post graduate degree. They are happpy. The family pulled together and adopted the new disabled amputee status, even the grandparents got on board showing an amazingly broad minded side we had never seen before. So far as I know, the young person has not had a single regret a decade later.

This is another other side of the story.

What do we conclude from such 'sides' of a story?

Thank you for sharing.

I doubt it's what MN wants to hear tho? A rational pro trans account based on real life experience.

I hope they continue to be blissfully happy.

A lot of MN contributors won’t share your view because although it’s a great, pro trans account, it’s beside the point. And the point is 13 is too young to be allowing our children to make life altering decisions.

Not at all, it seems to be by design. Jennifer Bilek did some good research in her 11th Hour blog about the very rich men pushing this shit, and funding it.

Yes, worth reading her latest. Around the push for surrogacy, gay men being able to conceive a baby from two sperm alone, manufacturing babies. Womb transplants.

It's all part of a larger generalised idea that being a female and the biological processes the female body is designed to do is problematic plus men's rights over women's bodies and child birth. Divorcing women from reproduction.

This is entirely different to women having the right to choose what happens to their bodies, if they have children or not. If they breastfeed or not. Though it can be shoved under that same bracket in an attempt to make it all feminist and palatable.

What a Brave New World we live in @WarriorN 🙁

No such things as a 'trans child'

Only adults indulging abuse imo.

Children can't decide what they want for tea. They can't have tattoos because it's irresponsible and highly likely they will change their mind.

That's why we need to stop entertaining of of this and instead approach it for what it is - mental anguish/illnee.

Absolutely there is blame there too but as others have pointed out her parents were probably shown frightening but inaccurate suicide stats

Plus it's a doctors actual job to "cause no harm" hippocratic (sp?) and all that

Ah I see, it’s not the parents and doctors who agreed and undertook the mutilation of a child who could not give informed consent that’s the problem, it’s the nasty evil people who point out the fucked up thinking behind the child abuse…, I see.

This post struck me - the part about the attraction of being the pal of a trans kid.

Neighbours kid decided she was trans at 14 ish. Tomboyish, outdoorsy but artistic girl. A bit of a loner, no sign of lots of friends hanging round her, or any buzzing social life. Some of which may be explained by the young age and our rural location.

Suddenly shaved head, dyed remaining fuzz the usual teal and oh looky looky, that summer holiday the house was crawling with teenage girls hanging out with their trans buddy. Kid was suddenly a local celebrity and loved it. Crashed and burned on exams as too distracted by being famous and socially in demand, till at 16, 17 the girls that hung about moved on to real boys they could snog, and celebrity kid's fanclub was no more.

Kid is really interesting and creative individual, but went totally unnoticed by peers till she rolled in the catnip of trans. It was so bloody obvious.

Regardless of one's views on transitioning, it seems very wrong to perform surgery like this on anyone under 16 / 18

I can only assume it was driven by a desperate desire to improve the patient's MH (as in why her parents agreed)

A decade ago, possibly the process was more thorough.
A decade ago, we hadn’t yet seen the massive upswing in teenage girls identifying as boys.

Some teenagers will regret this permanent body modification later.

I have just read The Federalist article and I think there is an over medicalisation / money aspect to all of this, alongside many prospering very nicely on yet another ideology. Changing our bodies medically is dangerous and storing up issues for the future and as mentioned in another post, to talk about physically cutting something off is not just like losing weight, it is upsetting the health of the only body we are going to get, both mentally and physically. We are running into something we have yet to truly understand and that will have significant long tailed results on society.

There's nothing whatsoever rational about posting a pro-trans account when the issue being discussed is someone who was abused by the trans supporting system. I don't think anyone does not believe that some men prefer to live their lives pretending to be women. That doesn't really help this young woman though does it? We used to have a balanced system where there were proper balance and checks in place before a person could have body altering surgery and drugs to mock up a superficial appearance of the opposite sex. This woman is caught up in the moves to dismantle those protections.

That is the way things were 10 years ago. Unfortunately much of the care today is simply gender affirming. So rather than exploring why the individual feels as they do and determining whether transition is the correct course of action, therapy begins with an acceptance of a transgender identity and proceeds from there.

Proper exploratory therapy prior to transition is much more likely to identify those who are likely to transition successfully and those who have other issues that should be addressed in a different way. The current approach simply lumps them all in one basket and leads them on the path to medical/surgical solutions that are not necessarily appropriate for them.

Agreed. Girls need to understand how important their ovaries are to their general health.

Eighteen states have restrictions. From ABC news: "At least 18 states, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee and Utah have passed laws or policies that restrict gender-affirming care for people under the age of legal majority, which is the threshold for legal adulthood."

Wow, this was an extremely inappropriate comment. When you hear about someone who has been harmed by what they are describing as negligent inadequate medical care, you don't, seriously don't, waffle on about someone you know who had the similar treatment but for them it was all sunshine and rainbows.

The story you've told doesn't cancel hers out, do you understand that.