Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union

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If anyone is a member of the Oxford Union it says her talk is at 5pm tomorrow.

Is anyone from FWR going?

Welcome @Ireallydidntseethiscoming. There are quite a few medicos around, so you're in good company.

The treatment side of this issue is emerging as a massive scandal. It needs urgent attention. So the people who are informed the better.

So this privileged, expensively educated daughter of a wealthy man is copying her Daddy who is also a narcissistic sociopath, sorry, protestor? How rebellious is she exactly? 🤣 Plus, she’s so hungry for this type of warped infamy that she’ll apparently protest against anything, anything at all. She’s basically a rich girl for hire if anyone wants to disrupt an event.

I’ve been a shouty student protester myself. But the key difference was that in the 1980s we took aim at the big stuff. We wanted to free Nelson Mandela and dismantle Apartheid; not redefine womanhood and give bearded blokes carte blanche to muscle their way into female sporting competitions and the ladies’ changing room in Marks & Spencer.

Quite.

I've had this stuck in my head since I saw that picture.

Yeah, I think this is why Stock really bothers them so much. She's not fussed about gender.

She is just comfortable in her own self and body and sexuality.

I think that's what enrages them the most.

Just started reading, thanks for the link.

Poor Riz, referred to as 'she' and again under a photo of her. The journo clearly saw what sex she was, rather than her gender identity. Bloody reality, getting in the way of specialdom and feelings.

I'm prepared to afford idealistic youth a good bit of leeway, given I think an amount of protesting is healthy. And this genuinely seemed non-violent, for a change.

I'm sure many of us have a history of protest across various issues.

What I think is different is that I can't think of a single protest I ever went on - peace marches, animal rights events, anti war, anti poll tax, anti student loans, women's rights, etc, that was ever directed at one person.

The targeting of individuals like this seems new.

Interesting to look her dad's tweets, shows where she's got the urge to protest from. Also reading these I'm unconvinced that she comes from a wealthy background, most likely her place at this expensive private school was on scholarship.

https://twitter.com/robertpossnett1/status/1143235499550752769

Left school with no qualifications. At 30 got a 1st in philosophy, did an MA, worked, did another masters, worked and then realised it's all crap. Was retreating, going sailing....then #ExtinctionRebellion made my life finally have sense.

https://twitter.com/robertpossnett1/status/1011229789938765826

Yep. Carrot topping, strawberry, gooseberry and blackberry picking etc. Single parent mother after father died. One of seven siblings. Free school meals...left school at 16 with no qualification and joined army as best option. Don't let left wing twerp tells us who we are

https://twitter.com/robertpossnett1/status/1083759188348592128

And tfl should ban their use in bus lanes. Its simply another perk for the wealthy.

#ExtinctionRebellion made my life finally have sense.

Climate change is not here for your salvation.

Explains where she got her PratStick from though.

Yes! And some enterprising soul did it...
https://twitter.com/KOBCOB2/status/1663654226503819264?s=19

Yes. It doesn't matter what Stock actually says, she's representative somehow.

Which is a concept I can understand. I just can't quite grasp why they hate her so much.

They seem like spoilt and indulged children. I wonder if the natural rebellious nature of teenage hood simply has nowhere to go.

Stock said something about this generation being petrified to cause offence.

Maybe the pushback against parents and authority is only allowed expression, if it's strictly corralled. The normal teen anger and frustration must have preapproved targets, otherwise they might fall foul of their own rules about tolerance and loving acceptance of any old nonsense? Because God knows, wholesale peer condemnation must be only a wrong pronoun away.

So it all has to be channelled through the acceptable confines of things like just stop oil, extinction rebellion and trans rights.

Welcome to the new teenage rebellion. Highly controlled and rigidly enforced.

Just people in search of a new religion.

She is just comfortable in her own self and body and sexuality.

I think that's what enrages them the most.

I've also had a Twitter scroll, and it's rather disheartening to see that these seem to be some (many, actually) of the responses to Stock. It does make you wonder again about internalised homophobia. It's rather sad if young female adults can't just be happy with who they are. That, after all, is what was fought for and where I thought we were starting to get to until gender ideology came along with such uncompromising force.

Another fine interview with Prof Stock on Radio Sussex this morning, starts around the four minute mark:

I missed the live feed last night. Can anyone point me towards a video version, please. Would love to watch her.

I don't think it's come out yet. Kathleen says it will be coming out in the (excellent) interview linked below by @zibzibara

They (TRAs) are saying KS has internalised transphobia, couldn't make it up!

haha of course they see realities delusions others can't see Bluebell

Head-on-the-table kid took part in another protest a few weeks ago and the resulting photos prompted Stuart Macintosh on Twitter to start a caption competition. Which did make me laugh immoderately.

Thank you for your reply. I will be watching out for the video!

TRAs on Twitter making fun of the way KS sat in her chair just shows the intellectual level these people operate on tbh

Anyone who can afford to float around doing mltiple masters degrees, sailing and going on retreats should ideally be doing something useful in society to express their gratitude for their enormous privilege.

Guing onesekf to a table does not count as 'something useful'

I live in London new and have never seem so many obviously young lesbians hanging out. Is it a 'thing' nowadays and have they have also sucked up the whole trans package that comes with the territory and is a young vs the old thing as well and a generation that have grown up with full on social media. I wish it would stop.

This bit resonates:

I’ve been a shouty student protester myself. But the key difference was that in the 1980s we took aim at the big stuff. We wanted to free Nelson Mandela and dismantle Apartheid; not redefine womanhood and give bearded blokes carte blanche to muscle their way into female sporting competitions and the ladies’ changing room in Marks & Spencer.

I was at Greenham Common and I'll be damned if some modern-day privileged gobshites are going to retrospectively label us as 'hateful' because it was women only. Women's peace camps were wonderful places, because they were for women, by women.

It's tragic really, that there's no way Greenham could happen today.