Page 5 | Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union

JellyJazzy · 2023-05-29T22:45:21+00:00

If anyone is a member of the Oxford Union it says her talk is at 5pm tomorrow. Is anyone from FWR going?

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 21:17

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 20:50

She is so brave and fucking cool.

Am I wrong to have a slight crush?

NicCageisnotNickCave · 30/05/2023 21:20

Couldn’t resist making a little collage using text from the live feed on the Oxford Mail website and the pic from twitter…

Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union

bellinisurge · 30/05/2023 21:22

@JanesLittleGirl , I think we all do

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2023 21:26

We have received thousands of comments online. Some of them very homophobic, very transphobic, hateful, threatening," they said.

"They" got a weird letter with a mildly threatening tone, not a death threat, and thousands of unimpressed tweets, many pointing out they's privilege to be able to study at a world class university, and they's general unsuitability for it.

Datun · 30/05/2023 21:38

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2023 21:26

We have received thousands of comments online. Some of them very homophobic, very transphobic, hateful, threatening," they said.

"They" got a weird letter with a mildly threatening tone, not a death threat, and thousands of unimpressed tweets, many pointing out they's privilege to be able to study at a world class university, and they's general unsuitability for it.

It will never cease to wind me up that these people use accusations of homophobia to shame people, when they can't even define homosexuality, and are about as homophobic as you can get.

BluebellBlueballs · 30/05/2023 21:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2023 21:26

We have received thousands of comments online. Some of them very homophobic, very transphobic, hateful, threatening," they said.

"They" got a weird letter with a mildly threatening tone, not a death threat, and thousands of unimpressed tweets, many pointing out they's privilege to be able to study at a world class university, and they's general unsuitability for it.

What's the betting 'they' sent that letter to 'them' selves?

BrunchMonster · 30/05/2023 21:45

That's what I didn't like about the BBC article - I didn't find it very balanced, becase it just reported things like the LGBT chap saying they had had lots of 'transphobic, homophobic abuse' or 'death threats', but didn't delve any further to find out what the so-called hate speech was, just took him at his word. Or others who said that they were hurt that the speaker was trying to deny their fundamental rights, was transphobic etc, but then didn't explain further or question whether this was really the case. They say that she is challenging their existence and they're constantly being forced to justify it, or students are being harassed in a hateful way, but it's just accepted because they say so. If someone were reading it who didn't already know a lot about what was going on, they might well end up siding with the students who apparently are being so abused and subjected to such bigoted views. I think the BBC could have gone much further in explaining that the ideas that were being presented are not transphobic or trying to deny any rights.

WhiteFire · 30/05/2023 21:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2023 21:26

We have received thousands of comments online. Some of them very homophobic, very transphobic, hateful, threatening," they said.

"They" got a weird letter with a mildly threatening tone, not a death threat, and thousands of unimpressed tweets, many pointing out they's privilege to be able to study at a world class university, and they's general unsuitability for it.

Well the six of you (not sure if that includes me or not) must have been very busy.

Though sending a tweet is a lot quicker than having to cut out and stick all the letters down on the piece of paper, a letter used to take ages in those days.

RealityFan · 30/05/2023 21:54

What is going on here? This Riz character, I'm assuming some sort of trans "champion", is able to slander and libel Dr. Stock with impunity in this crazed series of Tweets?

To add to "journalist" P. Strudwick doing the same in The I to Posie Parker yesterday.

And any other number of trans activists and allies in the media able to brazenly defame women (and some men, looking at you Glinner) constantly over several years now.

With minimal push back, encouraging their irrational language to weaponise further.

I ask again, what's going on here?
And more importantly, when's it going to fucking stop?

Because the total coward Keir Starmer has refused to fall in with the PM in not offering full-throated support to Dr. Stock at Oxford tonight.

How can there be so many cowards in public life?

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:09

BrunchMonster · 30/05/2023 21:45

That's what I didn't like about the BBC article - I didn't find it very balanced, becase it just reported things like the LGBT chap saying they had had lots of 'transphobic, homophobic abuse' or 'death threats', but didn't delve any further to find out what the so-called hate speech was, just took him at his word. Or others who said that they were hurt that the speaker was trying to deny their fundamental rights, was transphobic etc, but then didn't explain further or question whether this was really the case. They say that she is challenging their existence and they're constantly being forced to justify it, or students are being harassed in a hateful way, but it's just accepted because they say so. If someone were reading it who didn't already know a lot about what was going on, they might well end up siding with the students who apparently are being so abused and subjected to such bigoted views. I think the BBC could have gone much further in explaining that the ideas that were being presented are not transphobic or trying to deny any rights.

Hm. Abuse is wrong and I condemn it.

The trouble is - does anyone actually believe these people anymore when they complain in vague terms about 'abuse'? Do they mean actual 'abuse', or do they mean stickers, or someone saying 'no, thank you' to them?

I guess they don't read 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' anymore.

We need a new version: 'The Transboi who cried Whaaah'

One thing that I am glad of is that the demonstrations and protests looked actually peaceful. I hope that is the case. I've got so used to terrorism from trans rights activists, it's depressing how I'd anticipated yet more scary blokes in black bloc and smoke bombs, etc.

ThatLibraryMiss · 30/05/2023 22:09

Amiad Haran Diman, president of the university's LGBTQ+ Society, said they had received death threats in the post

I'm not sure that TRAs hold the moral high ground when it comes to sending death threats.

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 22:10

I don’t understand how Kathleen stock gets so much hate. Ffs she is so reasonable

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 22:19

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 22:10

I don’t understand how Kathleen stock gets so much hate. Ffs she is so reasonable

It is because she is so reasonable.

RealityFan · 30/05/2023 22:19

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 22:10

I don’t understand how Kathleen stock gets so much hate. Ffs she is so reasonable

It's because she IS so reasonable, that the unreasonable have an even worse time of it than normal in being unable to reason with her.

It's like a universal truism. Kind of definitional for trans as a belief (I can't say philosophy, there are Teletubbies who have more sophisticated world views that this rabble of incoherency).

Can't reason with the reasonable Dr. Stock.
Throw toys out of pram.
So mature. So Enlightenment. So predictable.

buckeejit · 30/05/2023 22:23

I'm hoping she gets a lot more airtime after this. She is the epitome of reason! I wish I was half
as articulate as she is.

Anonymouslyposting · 30/05/2023 22:26

I’m a member and wish I could have gone but am stuck at home with a baby. So disappointed with attempts to no platform ANYONE at the Union, it’s completely against what the place is meant to stand for. Even if I didn’t agree with Kathleen Stock (which I do) then I’d be furious that people were trying to stop her speaking.

SidewaysOtter · 30/05/2023 22:27

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 22:10

I don’t understand how Kathleen stock gets so much hate. Ffs she is so reasonable

Well, that’s just it , isn’t it? A woman being brazenly and unapologetically reasonable, in public. Burn the witch!

SidewaysOtter · 30/05/2023 22:29

That is a photo whose caption is clearly “Yes, she’s going through a difficult phase at the moment but nursery say she’ll grow out of it. We just ignore her.”

SidewaysOtter · 30/05/2023 22:31

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 20:49

Go

So very very cool. If I was wearing a hat, I would take it off to her. I may even doff it.

itsmylife7 · 30/05/2023 22:35

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 21:17

Am I wrong to have a slight crush?

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No not wrong, I'm the same 😍

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 22:37

Kathleen stock 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽❤️❤️❤️❤️🍸

littlbrowndog · 30/05/2023 22:42

Watching gender wars. Honest to god then people who are on the not sure who they are. Who would have guessed they were uncertain. But why do they need to know this stuff

crack on with your life

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 22:43

SidewaysOtter · 30/05/2023 22:29

That is a photo whose caption is clearly “Yes, she’s going through a difficult phase at the moment but nursery say she’ll grow out of it. We just ignore her.”

And she will have to live with that photo for the rest of her life. Hey Ho!

ArabeIIaScott · 30/05/2023 22:47

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 22:43

And she will have to live with that photo for the rest of her life. Hey Ho!

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😁

Annaissleeping · 30/05/2023 22:58

'No more dead trans kids'

Five children die of cancer every week in the UK.

Five actual deaths, as opposed to an average of zero weekly trans deaths (adults or children) put on a poster for some press attention.