Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

The threads are full of screenshots and archived links. You're just flat-out lying and you know you are.

This is what I'm not getting. I've looked and all I see is stalky thread after stalky thread making libellous accusations about tranwomen without evidence. What "documentation" are you speaking of?

Every accusation I've seen on KF has been backed up by receipts. Posters making accusations without receipts are roundly mocked. It is the only place some evidence can be found, because some subjects of posts there will go very far indeed to try to erase evidence of what they have said or done.

I don't know what parts of KF you're frequenting, it's a big site with a wide range of users and different parts of the site have different cultures. I've never seen anything illegal and actually only one thing I thought was immoral on KF. It is not all about transwomen by any stretch, so I suppose you see what you look for.

Screenshots of what transwomen are posting on social media, yes.

Given they are screenshotting everything transwomen are posting going back years, this is creepy as hell stalking in my books.

If I may ask, if the so-called "documentation/evidence" you have of transpeople is evidence of crimes, have you passed this onto police?

I haven't seen any "documentation" on kiwifarms that would count as evidence. It's just stalking of transpeople and false accusations.

Hang on

people Shouldn’t make things up, but they also shouldn’t post information that others have made publicly available to provide evidence for what they say?

right you are

sounds to me like you want some people to be able to do and say whatever they like without anyone else being allowed to talk about it

I expect I’ve got that wrong though because <long boring bonkers post with mucho forced teaming>

I haven't seen any "documentation" on kiwifarms that would count as evidence. It's just stalking of transpeople and false accusations.

How is it stalking, to post or make comment on something someone has chosen to put online themselves? And how is an accusation false, if it is evidenced by the person's own words or photos?

"And how is an accusation false, if it is evidenced by the person's own words or photos"

The screenshots being posted on kiwifarms I have seen don't evidence any crimes.

How is it stalking, to post or make comment on something someone has chosen to put online themselves?

Do you know what stalking is? If someone were to take photos of me in public without consent and post them online, and copy everything I post on social media and post it elsewhere, I would be really creeped out and would be reporting it.

You've not looked very hard then, because in at least one case a prominent UK-based TRA had to disclose his violent past in court. Ironically in a case he brought against someone else. So the archived evidence of a conviction for violence and a further conviction related to sexual conduct with a minor is actually court papers.

Incidentally, the same TRA that you mention further down the post, so you must know that the violent, abusive background is the truth. Posting archives or screenshots of this person's PUBLIC social media on a site the purport to disdain and not visit (even though there is archived evidence of them having signed up under various usernames) is neither violent stalking nor harassment. People commenting on such material is sometimes distasteful, but not illegal.

You need to stop trying to police others' thoughts and actions mate. Go outside for a bit, touch some grass. It's a big world, the fruit farm is a small and insignificant part of it. You and I are smaller still. Get a life.

Not a woman.

You haven't seen evidence of any crime on KF? That's weird, that you are simultaneously well aquainted with kf and also haven't seen evidence of crimes. Leaving aside that KF is not a crime reporting site,it's a site to laugh at stuff people voluntarily post online, there are plenty of TWs posts about illegal drugs, underage sexual activity, violence, threats and lots more. Weird you haven't seen that.

And again, it is not stalking to post stuff which someone had voluntarily posted online themselves. Being hoist by one's own petard is not stalking.

Well your missing stuff by not signing up. Some things are protected so only users can see.

Either way, the farms is shit hot at showing and archiving proof. Anything else is just hearsay. Hearsay is not admissible in a court.

Anyway how did you manage to go back years on threads without signing up?
Some of those threads are thousands of pages. You must have been there a very long time and I mean days at least (one thread took me weeks to read through)

I have no idea which TRA frequently travels and might be engaging in illegal activities since, quite frankly, that description doesn't narrow it down. In cases where there are receipts of criminal / abusive behaviour, then I have no sympathy for the comments that follow. And there are quite a lot of receipts which, when some utter random called themselves "Julie's Ghost" after my wife and began posting fiction about domestic abuse, were lacking.

I'm not unsympathetic to stalking, but see little evidence of it on KF. Things like criminal records that don't involve others are exactly the sorts of things we should know about. Things like my wife's Grant of Probate which a man bought, or otherwise accessed, are less interesting and do constitute stalking. Had I, like say Yaniv, a criminal past, then I might just have to accept that there will be discussion of it.

Some, I think, complain that they are "victims" of KF whilst abusing - in pretty extreme ways - their perceived enemies. Using someone's dead wife's name to post lies is not remotely sane.

In short, some have it coming, can object all they like, but we're still going to discuss - and laugh - at them.

Maybe Merlin is really Real Mayun 🤔 and that’s why the have a hate on for the farms.

*For the hard of thinking this is a joke. I have no idea anything about Merlin or Real Mayun in their real lives.

Lol I think their posting styles are quite different!

This is becoming a bit like "guess the BBC celebrity". (Unless of course they are one an the same...)

Can we expect a parade of denials from KF notables. "No we are not Merlin, and stop suggesting we are."

Can we expect a parade of denials from KF notables. "No we are not Merlin, and stop suggesting we are." 😂
I do miss reaction stickers here.

Can anyone tell me (I'm a bit dense socially) if the racism is ironic or not? I did get into reading kf a few weeks before it went down, I'm on the telegram channel. Most of it goes over my head because I have no idea who most people they discuss are. I did find quite a few discussions that were worthwhile though and I do like the freedom of speech.

Plot twist. Null is in fact Merlin and it's all a ruse to get more views of KF.

It totally explains how Merlin knows so much about KF.

Which means that Merlin is Suzi Quattro's fat nan.

Honestly, I think yes and no. There are a very wide range of people who post on KF. As in white supremacists, lesbian separatists, transgender people, liberals, right wing Christians, ND people, anti abortion, pro choice anyone you can think of really. You'll see posters blaming feminism for gender ideology and posters telling those posters they're stupid (but much less politely). A lot of the language is edgelording/the prevailing culture of the site.

It is by no means a feminist space, it's a space for people who aren't welcome in mainstream online spaces. The only things I think which most if not all farmers agree on is being opposed to cruelty to animals or children, and in favour of the site keeping going. Everything else is up for debate/piss taking.

Americans (on KF) and irony hmmm...

But in seriousness I think some are being ironic. Some are being edgelords. And some are 100% sincere.

Series finale plot twist - null is also keffels!!! Eastenders douff douff douf…
Or very slightly more likely Merlin is keffals…

You betrayed me!! You betrayed us!!

OK I need to stop drinking 😁

You do realise that if Merlin didn't exist, somebody would have to invent them. They do so we don't have to.

Does Merlin exist?

Or are they just an AI bot, doomed always to insert the same points into the thread, without the sentient capacity to converse or move the conversation along.