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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Bosky · 26/05/2023 03:34

Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

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BluebellBlueballs · 16/07/2023 02:34

Needmoresleep · 15/07/2023 22:53

Does Merlin exist?

Or are they just an AI bot, doomed always to insert the same points into the thread, without the sentient capacity to converse or move the conversation along.

Merlin is whatever Merlinself believes Merlinself to exist as.

How very dare you question Merlinselfs identity 🤔

DevilinaCardigan · 16/07/2023 07:08

ChatTRA?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 16/07/2023 08:53

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DevilinaCardigan · 16/07/2023 08:54

Actually it doesn’t need to be as sophisticated as ChatGPT. Just:

You agree with X person on one specific point, therefore you’re right wing/a nazi.

Kiwifarms is an illegal stalking site responsible for millions of deaths.

TRA does something awful, but JKR / KJK / Glinner looked at someone funny once.

JanesLittleGirl · 16/07/2023 10:33

DevilinaCardigan · 16/07/2023 08:54

Actually it doesn’t need to be as sophisticated as ChatGPT. Just:

You agree with X person on one specific point, therefore you’re right wing/a nazi.

Kiwifarms is an illegal stalking site responsible for millions of deaths.

TRA does something awful, but JKR / KJK / Glinner looked at someone funny once.

Grin
DevilinaCardigan · 28/07/2023 06:41

Is anyone having trouble with sneed? I’m on holiday and not sure if that’s causing the issue as not using usual vpn.

StGertrude · 28/07/2023 08:10

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's gone down since yesterday afternoon.

I've just found the rabbit hole thread that is the Sammiverse so I'm itching for it to be working again!

nothingcomestonothing · 28/07/2023 08:45

The right side of history are once again behaving a lot like the far right side of history

Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?
DevilinaCardigan · 28/07/2023 10:05

Bugger 🤬 is the onion site still working?

C’mon suzi Quattros fat nan! Wake up the Hampstead and get it up and running again. Im on holiday and need to catch up with the sideshow…

DevilinaCardigan · 28/07/2023 10:06

Hamsters!!! The sun is melting my brain

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 28/07/2023 10:11

DevilinaCardigan · 28/07/2023 10:05

Bugger 🤬 is the onion site still working?

C’mon suzi Quattros fat nan! Wake up the Hampstead and get it up and running again. Im on holiday and need to catch up with the sideshow…

I’m in on onion 💪

There is a .pl domain now also, but I’ve not tried that.

Bosky · 29/07/2023 03:22

So this might explain why the Archive Today has been down most of the last couple of days. More illegal DDoS attacks that no one will be held accountable for?

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SadKen82 · 29/07/2023 09:24

I'm in on .pl.

DevilinaCardigan · 29/07/2023 10:06

I’m a Luddite can you tell me the .pl address? PM me if you prefer

SadKen82 · 29/07/2023 10:13

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nothingcomestonothing · 29/07/2023 10:31

'could be seized as well' - they genuinely think they have the right to police the internet, don't they?

DevilinaCardigan · 29/07/2023 11:19

Thanks @SadKen82

Bosky · 29/07/2023 13:58

nothingcomestonothing · 29/07/2023 10:31

'could be seized as well' - they genuinely think they have the right to police the internet, don't they?

They should not have the right but that is very much what is happening.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2023 14:13

Got back in on both TOR and the pl domain.

kittensinthekitchen · 29/07/2023 14:33

How on earth do a small group of perverts and weirdos seem to have such a reach?
This really does go so much deeper, doesn't it?

Bosky · 29/07/2023 14:57

kittensinthekitchen · 29/07/2023 14:33

How on earth do a small group of perverts and weirdos seem to have such a reach?
This really does go so much deeper, doesn't it?

It's almost as if they are not a "marginalised minority" but are a privileged elite who operate above the law 🤔

Rather like Pirates who were endorsed by monarchs and roamed the seas plundering with impunity.

How did that happen and who else benefits?

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DevilinaCardigan · 29/07/2023 18:41

Thunk provoking 🤔

BeReet · 30/07/2023 11:01

I can't access kf at all. Very annoying as I am 💯 certain that my favourite threads will have been very busy with all that's been happening recently 🤭 All I get is an endless spinning circle and then a timeout 🙄

nothingcomestonothing · 30/07/2023 11:37

The below was posted by Jersh on KF (which is still up on Tor). I only dimly understand it but it seems this might possibly be the point at which things come to a head re private companies controlling what can appear on the internet?

Hurricane Electric, one of the largest ISPs in the entire world, has blocked 1776 Hosting's IPs which very briefly (~2 days) was a way to connect to the Kiwi Farms.

Hurricane Electric admits that blocking an entire subnet of IP addresses like this is unprecedented. They refuse to elaborate as to why they've done this.

HE is an extremely old, extremely large provider which owns an enormous share of all fiber optic cable in the world. Their connectivity between smaller ISPs is unparalleled. Their bandwidth is over 100Tbps. If every nerve in your body is connected to each other, much like two computers on the Internet, then Hurricane Electric would effectively be your spine - hence why they are called the Internet Backbone. The Internet Backbone is telling a small forum of a few thousand daily users that they may not exist, they will not explain why, and they are not open to meeting halfway.

However, our relationship with HE was indirect. 1776 Hosting had a relationship with an ISP, who itself had a relationship with another ISP, who has a relationship with Hurricane Electric. HE did not terminate a relationship with me, they instead obstructed my providers from receiving traffic they specifically requested because Hurricane Electric does not allow it, without stated reason, and without appeal.

What Hurricane Electric has not considered is that this relationship took place in Washington state. Washington is one of the few states which has state-level common carrier provisions for the Internet. Quote:

(2) A person engaged in the provision of broadband internet access service in Washington state, insofar as the person is so engaged, may not:
(a) Block lawful content, applications, services, or nonharmful devices, subject to reasonable network management;
(b) Impair or degrade lawful internet traffic on the basis of internet content, application, or service, or use of a nonharmful device, subject to reasonable network management;

app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=19.385.020

This cause of action cannot be brought by individuals or companies. It must be brought by the Attorney General's Office in Washington. My providers have filed complaints with the Attorney General's Office in Washington. I am preparing to do the same via representation.

If you are a citizen of Washington, your right to access legal content via your Internet connection (as guaranteed by the state of Washington, to which you pay considerable tax) has been infringed by Hurricane Electric. However, I am not asking anyone do anything at this point. We are awaiting a response from the Attorney General. If the Attorney General refuses to protect our rights, then we may need voices from the state of Washington to compel their Attorney General to protect their rights instead. If they still refuse, we have further options to pursue to compel the government to enforce its laws fairly and equitably.

Hurricane Electric's political decision making and deliberate meddling with the Internet is the most dramatic action I have ever seen in the degradation of the Internet and the erosion of our personal liberties. The only path forward is for the Internet to be regulated as a common carrier. If we allow this behavior to continue, no website may exist without the collective assent of a dozen megacorporations joined at the hip.

Pixiedust1234 · 30/07/2023 11:50

What Hurricane Electric has not considered is that this relationship took place in Washington state. Washington is one of the few states which has state-level common carrier provisions for the Internet.

😮😮😮 Fucking hell...