Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

"Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It's back to Tor we go!"

What companies were "forced off TV due to Ofcom censorship"?

Jersh has posted a letter from OFCOM saying that KF blocking UK users is complying with the Act. I'm not sure that telling the most stubborn and oppositional man on the internet that he's done what you told him to is a great idea but whatever.

Sir / Madam,

Illegal Content Risk Assessment Enforcement Programme
We acknowledge the email of 31 March 2025 from your legal representatives setting out your view that Kiwi Farms is not subject to the Online Safety Act 2023 (‘the Act’). We also note that you have since IP blocked people in the United Kingdom (‘UK’) from accessing your service.1

Taking the latter point into account, we have decided not to proceed with issuing an information notice requesting a copy of the written record of the illegal content risk assessment conducted in respect of Kiwi Farms at this time.

The purpose of the Act is to protect UK users of internet services from content that is illegal in the UK or potentially harmful to UK children. The Act requires that providers of services with links to the UK take action to protect users based in the UK – it does not require them to take action in relation to users based anywhere else in the world. For further information please see: Protecting people in
the UK from illegal online content – regardless of its origin - Ofcom.

If a service restricts access by UK users, that action would need to be effective in order for the service to fall out of scope of the Act. The relevant test remains whether the service has links to the UK. A service can have links to the UK if it has a significant number of UK users, or if UK users are a target market. Duties to protect UK users also apply to providers of services that are capable of being used by individuals in the UK and which pose a material risk of significant harm to them. As explained in our note, the targeting of UK users by, for example, promoting ways of evading access restrictions, could be relevant to whether that service still has links to the UK, depending on the specific circumstances.

In view of the above, although we are not issuing an information notice at this time, we may revisit this matter in future, taking account of any relevant evidence (including about whether your service is in scope).

Yours sincerely,
Ofcom

I’m sure Jersh greatly enjoyed reading that rather po-faced “teaching grandma how to suck eggs” letter from Ofcom 😂

The absolute state of that letter. I'm embarrassed by it

Interesting. Jerch has always advocated that users, whether based in the UK or elsewhere, protect their IP addresses. The site is often under attack from hackers wanting user data and, say, the Russian Government would probably be very interested users from Russia who take part in the long running Russia-Ukraine threads.

OFCOM are leaving the door open to claim that he is encouraging British users to bypass restrictions as we need to be protected. I am sure that the overwhelming majority of KF users not only know how to use TOR but can access whatever they want on the dark web. It is probably just Mumsnet mums who struggle, and we are only there because open debate on women's rights is/was severely restricted.

Looking back, if this had been the law in 2017 when Stonewall rules the roost and #No Debate was the slogan of the day , Mumsnet discussion probably would have been shut down and mums on the school run would have been giving each other tutorials on how to use proxy servers. Back then MPs and media - even the Daily Mail, were cowed. Most of us would have stayed in the dark. Our Scottish warriors, our transwidows, the many brave women with vegetable patches. Maya, Cass. None of that would have happened.

OFCOM would presumably have thought they were "protecting" us.

Yes, how kind of Big Brother to protect us from the terrors of Emmanuel Goldstein et al.

THIS. So much.

Maybe the owner could ask Cloudflare for a service to help protect them from hackers?

oh wait

This has been done to death. Aren't you sick of your own lies yet?

Cloudflare revoked service to KF because of stalking and threat to the safety of LGBT people. A number of other services and ISPs followed suit too I believe.

It's fact.

I agree with every word of this. And yes, the irony of him complaining about other people’s hate. Gobsmacking.

It's been explained to you in excruciating detail, with evidence, on this and multiple other threads how what you said about KF and Cloudflare is not fact and yet you refuse to remember it, and inexplicably, you assume that we won't remember it either 🤷‍♀️

Honestly, Chris, you're getting boring with this repetitive bloviation. You need better spiel.

Chris is our own Prince Harry. What is it with men who won't listen and remain convinced they are right?

Our courts got it right.

The worry about the Online Safety Act is that the power is then handed over to OFCOM. Who see their remit as keeping us "safe". Safe, presumably, from those nasty people who believe that women should have the right to same sex spaces.

No, it was revoked because someone made up lies to get it blocked. When threatened with court action Cloudflare immediately restored services. Which you know. So you are just repeating lies despite knowing the truth.

Saying something is a fact doesn't actually make it a fact.

But what if it identifies as a fact?

This is still going? What a celebration of ignorance and hate...

I think that calling Chris 'a celebration of ignorance and hate' is going a bit far. There is no need for that. 😡

Some might think that pushing a 'celebration of ignorance and hate' up the active convos list could be seen as a bit of an own goal, but I guess the opportunity to scold was too hard to resist.

For the benefit of the newly peaked - KF is full of offensive language and edge lording, but if you need a receipt for something that powerful people have tried to scrub from the internet, they'll very likely have it.

crikey, I've always found KF very educational rather that increasing my ignorance

OfCom is trying to fine 4Chan now 🤦‍♀️ Is anyone at OfCom aware that American sites are protected by their first amendment rights to free speech? 🤔🤔

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/26/ofcom-is-no-match-for-the-trolls-of-4chan/

4chan and Kiwi Farms are suing the UK’s Office of Communications (Ofcom).

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26076733-govuscourtsdcd28421810-1/

Well that will be interesting. Thanks for flagging

Poor Ofcom have been having a hard time of it recently:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86pp6wq1xno

The near total failure of media outlets to challenge gender ideology over the past few years has highlighted how important it is to have a free press even if you don't agree with much of their political slant.

There seems to be a bit of a generational thing about a need to "protect". Trigger warnings are one example. I briefly saw the Minister responsible for the on-line safety act smugly congratulate herself (I think it is a she) and complain that those opposed were somehow putting us at risk. I also know some people involved in the GB news case who clearly thought they were fighting the fight for goodness and justice. Yet even from their descriptions the Ofcom case seemed pretty bare.

We want our media to be responsible, but also not fettered by politicians, left or right. Our "friends" on this thread who seem to think that we are not able to read from a variety of sources and arrive at our own opinions are wrong. Worse will be if media ends up as a load of AI generated pap. and pressure to conform is such that no one dare disagree or debate.

Hi, I'm new to these threads.

I know KF has been useful for trans info. I've seen people say that accusations about it are lies by TRAs.

Here's the RationalWiki page for KiwiFarms.