Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

I can’t make head nor tail of KF. Where are the feminist threads? (PM if not wise to post.)

Why do you keep trying to turn this into a thread about Liz Fong Jones? The current legal action is against Epik which publically accused KF of things such as hosting child porn. An utterly disgusting and false accusation which Epik have already publicly said they "made up". You never give specific replies, for example, who is it amongst us you are saying we claimed LFJ is a rapist and why? The accusation to LFJ of being a rapist was made by someone they knew, not any of us. And LFJ said that it wasn't rape, it was a "consent accident". I don't think that's even why LFJ became particularly known on the Farms. IIRC, it was because LFJ promoted and was involved with a charity called "Trans Lifeline" which was later found in court to have misappropriated the funds raised for helping trans people and instead been pocketed by the organisers - again iirc. This is all documented on KiwiFarms. LFJ then used his employers email address (Google) to reach out to others and request KF be dropped. I think the self-admitted "consent accident" was something else. But in any case none of this really is to the point which you would know if you actually read the information from Jersh or even just the replies here. Instead. all you do is first raise LFJ as a topic and then bizarrely demand people here prove a negative and show he didn't rape anybody. Frankly, it's weird and you just seem to be trying to divert and bait people with no willingness to actually engage with real discussion about the legal fund or Epik's false accusations.

Good summation.

Well it's not really a feminist forum. It's just the last bar on the Internet whose proprietor wont censor its users. Threads are in many different categories and usually more arranged by the specific people they follow. For example you'll find most of the trans stuff in the "Stinkditch" forum. Be warned, there's some real horrorshow stuff reported in there. Ongoing stories in the news often appear in Happenings where you can follow along and there's the Deep Thoughts forum where there are sometimes various interesting debates.

Honestly, if you're new it can be a very hard place to get your head around so it's not surprising you're a bit lost. I was too. It's also incredibly variable in quality. I've seen some amazingly erudite discussions on there and they're right next to the most puerile stuff you can imagine. It's a great big mess, it's not you. I would suggest for someone here you might be interested in threads on Caroline Farrow or just browse the forums I mentioned here, particularly Stinkditch. Really someone should DM you links to the threads they think you'll find most interesting as the easiest way and because probably not allowed to link directly here.

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Now I feel I should have been talking about Milwaukee. :D

LFJ isn’t very interesting, loads of TRAs have allegedly been implicated in ‘consent accidents’, not just LFJ.

The only interesting thing about LFJ is LFJ’s obsession with Josh and Kiwi Farms…

… oh and the trans snake! That’s a pretty unique identity… but probably a few teens with snake ‘alters’ on DID TikTok.

Am I right in thinking Jersh created the Beauty Parlour section for us gals to chat about clothes and hair and plotting world domination plus the overthrow of men, or some such silly girly stuff 😈😈😉

The forum they crudely call "stinkditch" is the gender critical section. It's very vile and much of it would potentially amount to hate speech and/or malicious communications.

They also have many threads dedicated to obsessing about select trans people.

"The only interesting thing about LFJ is LFJ’s obsession with Josh and Kiwi Farms…"

Since they were (and still are) harassing her (including false accusations) I can completely understand why she would complain to and sue the providers hosting Kiwifarms. I'm glad her lawsuit against one of them was successful.

snort

Now if this were the farms your statement would gather many rainbows. Sure - it might be that! :D

(for the confused, rainbows are the reaction that signifies 'optimistic' on the Farms)

Keeping an archive of information publicly disclosed about and by LFJ is not harassment. Such information being a documented involvement with a charity determined in court to have misappropriated funds. Nor is a screenshot of LFJ's own declaration that it wasn't rape, it was a 'consent accident' harassment. Nor is your obsessive attempt to turn this discussion into something monofocused on LFJ relevant. The lawsuit is about the false claims by Epik which Epik has already publicly admitted they made up. Those actual words.

And the Guardian article you keep spamming isn't a judgement against KiwiFarms. It's more what Jersh has been talking about - they fail over and over to actually show any wrongdoing by KiwiFarms so they target anyone associated with it.

All you're accomplishing with your posts is more Streisland Effect about LFJs in the first place. Why the obsession with LFJ?

Could it be true? Is LFJ a secret mumsnetter? Does LFJ like naice ham and have a personalised penis beaker?

is LFJ (drumroll) CRYPTOFASH?

Thou hast meme-ed right well, forsooth! 😎

It looks as if TownGown does visit KF…so why the faux naivety?

Search works best for me. There was a funny thread about mumsnet. Josh/Null runs a thread detailing complaints and his replies. But most is about obscure and very weird North Americans.

I wonder if Josh posts on Mumsnet. In the past he has appeared quite protective of us, despite his stated objection to Britain and all things British.

I am sure Josh would do well here. He can probably do amazing things with a chicken.

It is harassment, as ruled by a court.

Monitoring someone and keeping track of everything they do and throwing accusations around is called stalking (I would know, I've been a victim of it which resulted in a conviction for the perp).

If Mumsnet is going to permit hateful false accusations on its forum too against LGBT people maybe there needs to be another court case?

TownGown, if you believe posts are hateful, report them. If the mods agree they will remove them.

If anyone believes they have evidence that mentioned trans woman is a "rapist" then I urge them to pass this onto the police for an actual investigation by law enforcement (as opposed to some hateful rabble and rumours online). I do presume this has been done?

I assume from you late night posting that you are in a different jurisdiction. I doubt the British police would be interested.

I work with people based in California. They tend to be working between 4pm and 2am uk time.

WHHHHHAAAAT.

you naughty boy, you told us you would never visit such a stinking horrible place, yet here you are knowing more about the place than many of us.

I'm presuming you reported it to the police then, as you keep urging posters here to do?

Pics or it didn't happen. You've got no receipts for your accusations, you know it, and now KF is on the clearnet and searchable via Google, everyone else who cares to check will know it too.

Cope and seethe.

Please, please take MN court for that Margie Pie Town. I'll even contribute to the cowdfunder, just for the lols.

Have a 🎩

We had a 6 hour power cut last night but this proper made my day this morning thank you. This sort of deep question always helps because as you know, the actual evidence is held on the farms which is the very reason that LFJ is so desperate to get them squashed.

Jersh himself said he would have got bored with KF in time, but the attacks just keep him going.

So thank you, thank you, thank you. You are what makes the Farms 'worth it 'and you don't even know it.