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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Declining to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature

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HowDoIGetThisThingOff · 23/05/2023 13:11

It's finally happened, I've been "told" to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature at work.

I've emailed back saying my preference is that I don't do this. But I'm feeling a bit anxious 😬.

Please can I get some advice on what to say if they come back with questions or pressure to comply?

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HashtagLurky · 27/05/2023 21:06

I'm holding out against declaring pronouns in my work emails. I receive emails from a wide slice of my workplace and have been noting their use in tandem with the seniority of those declaring their allegiance to the religion. It has been fascinating to observe how many managers are male he/hims and how many entry-level young people are they/them and actually females.

As an older woman who started work in the early 1980s, it's interesting to note that the better-paid and more secure contract roles appear to be men and the agency, non-contract and easily fired staff are young women (in spite of their new religious identifications). Plus ça change, eh?

I've been terminally online for two decades. I've deliberately never drawn attention to my sex in either online debate or corporate communications - it is evident that women are treated differently in both spheres. It is tedious to have to point this out to idealistic twenty-somethings as it will also draw attention to my age - I note that the 'be kind' generation are not known for empathising with older women. I have had no official approaches about my resistance to pronoun declarations, though I saw last month that the head of HR is now a he/him.

I barely post anywhere online now, due to the social media policy of my organisation and its notoriety as a Stonewall champion. Within the past few months, it has been explicitly stated that if you express any counter views to gender ideology you will be invited to an interview with the boss and then asked to leave. Therefore, I am saving my powder for that day.

Of course I have such a lot to say on this subject, but I can't. I'd quite like to be able to pay my rent.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 27/05/2023 21:15

janeinthewild · 26/05/2023 22:10

I'll use a rough example for this. Imagine you see a photo of an attractive male and an attractive female. As a woman, I am more likely to think 'I wish I looked like that' when looking at the photo of the woman and not the man.

It's likely not exactly the same for being transgender, I would not know as I am not trans myself. But that is the best way I can describe the feeling of knowing what your gender is.

Of course that is only a small example and everyone's relationship with gender is not exactly the same but I hope that makes it a little bit easier to relate to/understand

Well I might wish I looked like Julia Robert's or Mila Kunis or bella Hadid.
I'm never going to, so it would be wishful thinking, not reality.

And in fact I don't look at other women and wish i looked like them. Or men.

SargentSagittarius · 27/05/2023 21:18

Honestly bewildered at @janeinthewild thinking their ‘rough example’ was going to in any way make any of it ‘a little but easier to relate to / understand’.

I am more in the dark than before I asked the question. Confused

YetAnotherSpartacus · 27/05/2023 21:46

I note that the 'be kind' generation are not known for empathising with older women

often, they can barely hide their utter contempt.

MarchXX · 27/05/2023 22:01

Girlboss1989 · 23/05/2023 15:20

Why don't you just include whichever pronouns you want people to use for you?

Because I will not compel/order/dictate that anyone use "my" preferred pronouns. I would rather they made that decision for themselves, its nothing to do with me. Anyone looking at me will know my sex, anyway. I

SargentSagittarius · 27/05/2023 22:07

Exactly. How arrogant to think you can police how people talk about you when you’re not even there, and can’t hear. 😑

VoiceOfCommonSense · 29/05/2023 15:06

Girlboss1989 · 23/05/2023 15:20

Why don't you just include whichever pronouns you want people to use for you?

Because maybe they don’t want to play that silly game using made up words..

Craftycorvid · 30/05/2023 23:12

I’ve heard some not-even-thinly-veiled contempt for ‘older’ feminists, also branding anyone not drinking the gender Kool Aid as ‘a TERF’ and therefore (in their eyes) a bigot - this is coming from young women. The poor dears can’t see how dangerous it is to nod and admire the emperor’s wonderful outfit; they think they are ‘being kind’.

stayflufft · 31/05/2023 14:42

janeinthewild · 26/05/2023 20:29

Oppression? You define adding pronouns to your email signature as oppression. What has the world come to?

What? Sex based like my oppression as in the oppression of women for like, yknow, millennia. Not as in I’m oppressed because someone is asking my to include pronouns on my email signature. FFS.

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