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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Declining to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature

434 replies

HowDoIGetThisThingOff · 23/05/2023 13:11

It's finally happened, I've been "told" to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature at work.

I've emailed back saying my preference is that I don't do this. But I'm feeling a bit anxious 😬.

Please can I get some advice on what to say if they come back with questions or pressure to comply?

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MotherofPearl · 23/05/2023 21:24

I feel the same as @Ourladycheesusedatum. I find it impossible to care what pronouns people use about me, especially when I'm not present.

ArabeIIaScott · 23/05/2023 21:24

DumboLives · 23/05/2023 20:57

And that, ladies, is how you deal with daft requests.

'No' is a complete sentence, as they say round here.

Singlemum101 · 23/05/2023 21:25

Someone who I’ve never met emailed me an invoice at work the other day. Her email footer says “my pronouns are private”. I like her already!

Presumably someone at her work asked her to complete the sentence in her footer but hasn’t even bothered to read it!

identifyingasmrblobbytoday · 23/05/2023 21:26

MotherofPearl · 23/05/2023 21:24

I feel the same as @Ourladycheesusedatum. I find it impossible to care what pronouns people use about me, especially when I'm not present.

Only trans people and handmaidens care.

Give it 5 years, the bandwagoners will get bored and move onto furries or adult babies or similar.

PuzzledObserver · 23/05/2023 21:27

DumboLives · 23/05/2023 20:57

Oh that’s priceless.

Felix asked Naomi to declare her pronouns (he actually said “her”, because he can see she’s a woman.)

Naomi declined, and later said to Vanessa “it’s not necessary for you or me to declare our pronouns, because everyone can see what we are.”

And the Felix referred to Naomi as “they/them - because I don’t know their pronouns.”

It’s a little bit bonkers.

I think Felix said “my pronouns are he/them”, but I may have misheard that.

Bornin1989 · 23/05/2023 21:30

A relevant tangent; those declaring their pronouns at my workplace also have a link under the pronouns saying "why I declare my pronouns" which goes to a site to explain.

I'm wondering whether to put "Why I don't declare my pronouns in my signature". Anyone got a good website to link to? Or maybe I could just put a statement in a word doc

ArabeIIaScott · 23/05/2023 21:39

Bornin1989 · 23/05/2023 21:30

A relevant tangent; those declaring their pronouns at my workplace also have a link under the pronouns saying "why I declare my pronouns" which goes to a site to explain.

I'm wondering whether to put "Why I don't declare my pronouns in my signature". Anyone got a good website to link to? Or maybe I could just put a statement in a word doc

I rec the article above 'Pronouns are Rohypnol'.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/05/2023 21:44

SargentSagittarius · 23/05/2023 20:33

Have I missed your point?

Because, to be honest, with this ^^ post, you’re playing right into the hands of those saying we should all declare pronouns. So as to avoid other people deciding/assuming - and getting it wrong.

If you (generic) don’t want people to assume and get it wrong, it probably behoves you to tell people your pronouns.

Personally, I couldn’t get less what people refer to me as when I’m not around, and wouldn’t be so mortally offended if I was mis-gendered, so I will not be telling people what pronouns to use when referring to me.

Respectfully, yes. It's a play stupid games, win stupid prizes situation for trying to force somebody to declare them when they don't want to. Because they will lose, hoist by their own petard.

Better not to insist upon it in the first place - you know, like they have to offer a decline option on ethnicity monitoring. You can't demand somebody specifies their ethnicity (although the NHS manager demanding that I tell her whether I'm Traveller or not in 2005 because I looked like it wasn't fantastic) or sexual preferences in every email. You can't demand that they announce whether their reproductive organs have resulted or are soon going to result in issue in every meeting request on Teams.

Try to make me tell you information when it's only ever resulted in discrimination and there will be trouble.

Melroses · 23/05/2023 21:44

That article came to mind when I was reading about the current Employment Tribunal on Tribunal Tweets. There was someone complaining about misgendering only for the judge to misgender whilst questioning it and the complainer went onto misgender.

Once you try to disconnect the word from its meaning, strange things happen to people's brains. 🤔

Ourladycheesusedatum · 23/05/2023 21:54

Bornin1989 · 23/05/2023 21:30

A relevant tangent; those declaring their pronouns at my workplace also have a link under the pronouns saying "why I declare my pronouns" which goes to a site to explain.

I'm wondering whether to put "Why I don't declare my pronouns in my signature". Anyone got a good website to link to? Or maybe I could just put a statement in a word doc

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Pronouns are Rohypnol • Fair Play For Women

There’s a lot of chat around about pronouns right now. Specifically, ‘preferred’ pronouns. By which is usually meant, the pronouns a person would prefer.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns

NashvilleQueen · 23/05/2023 22:02

If forced to do this at any point I'm going to choose a stupid one and then complain loudly to HR every time I'm misgendered.

Transparent2 · 23/05/2023 22:07

Maireas · 23/05/2023 17:02

We're expected to do this, I'm still refusing. A rather arsey line manager has started to put pressure on me, so I said I'd go for hag/crone. He complained that I was being deliberately difficult, and my approach "isn't in the spirit".

You could be a bit more subtle and offer gee/cee.

Jetband · 23/05/2023 22:08

DancinOnTheCeiling · 23/05/2023 21:19

@Nousernamesleftatall hahaha brilliant 😂😂

Best pronouns yet!

Transparent2 · 23/05/2023 22:19

JanesLittleGirl · 23/05/2023 17:58

Hers as in "this bicycle is hers"? Doesn't count because the S is just the possessive S which, because English is a bit weird, is not separated from the pronoun with an apostrophe.

Try the following sentences:

This is his bicycle. It belongs to him.

This is her bicycle. It belongs to her.

This is his bicycle. It belongs to him. It is his.

This is her bicycle. It belongs to her. It is hers.

Hepwo · 23/05/2023 22:33

His is just an abbreviation of hims. It's just easier to get your lips around.

JanesLittleGirl · 23/05/2023 22:41

Transparent2 · 23/05/2023 22:19

This is his bicycle. It belongs to him. It is his.

This is her bicycle. It belongs to her. It is hers.

This is his bicycle. It belongs to him. It is his. It it is him's.
This is her bicycle. It belongs to her. It is hers. It is her's.
This is their bicycle. It belongs to them. It is theirs. It is their's.

Contraction of English since about 1500.

Male possessive pronoun - his.
Plural possessive pronoun - their.
Female possessive pronoun - her.

But I was actually just taking the piss.

Transparent2 · 23/05/2023 22:55

JanesLittleGirl · 23/05/2023 22:41

This is his bicycle. It belongs to him. It is his. It it is him's.
This is her bicycle. It belongs to her. It is hers. It is her's.
This is their bicycle. It belongs to them. It is theirs. It is their's.

Contraction of English since about 1500.

Male possessive pronoun - his.
Plural possessive pronoun - their.
Female possessive pronoun - her.

But I was actually just taking the piss.

But I was actually just taking the piss.

I wasn’t being entirely serious either.

Waitwhat23 · 23/05/2023 22:58

I'm trying to learn a language on Duolingo at the moment and these sentences are reminiscent of the ones I've been struggling over I.e. 'the chocolate biscuits, which are old, are in the box'. I'm blaming you lot for giving me the fear that I've dropped down the league!

IamSlave · 23/05/2023 23:16

@ArabeIIaScott 😂where😂here rid that list come from

JanesLittleGirl · 23/05/2023 23:24

@Transparent2 Sorry, sometimes I forget how to let go and I let the trivial shit get in front of the important stuff.

HangingOver · 23/05/2023 23:39

I saw the email signature of a man in a Hawaiian shirt with a full beard and moustache the other day had the pronouns she/they. I've never understood that, how do you know which one they want you to call them? I can get my head around using she in front of a female presenting transwomen to be polite but this was just...a dude.

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 24/05/2023 00:11

JustSpeculation · 23/05/2023 21:05

Sadly not. There are also possessive adjectives which are pro forms, but not pronouns. Grammar is complex and quick to anger if you play around with it foolishly.....

Stop!! You're making my head explode!!!

Magnoliasunrise · 24/05/2023 06:46

tonyatotter · 23/05/2023 17:59

I caused a bit of upset when I was asked to do this, and decided I wanted to identify as a cable clip, so put my pronouns as clip/clipped - boss wasn't happy, but I put on a straight face and said "are you questioning my identity, are you discriminating against clips, what if i was a pipe clip, would you discriminate against that"
Eventually someone more senior told me to take it off and that was that - our caretaker still has "Dogs/Body" on his email signature, no one has noticed!

Thank you for this, it will keep me smiling all week :)

Bornin1989 · 24/05/2023 07:35

Thanks! It might be a bit forward for my workplace, I think I'd get into trouble rather than opening a dialogue about other ways of thinking. There was a post above about there being two trains of thought regarding pronouns being based on sex or a gendered mind which I might add to a word document and link to in my email which I think lays out the argument in a way my seniors might digest with more acceptance

BezMills · 24/05/2023 07:55

I work for a big tech outfit with 30k fellow workers. Recently we were offered free rainbow lanyards to virtue signal demonstrate our inclusivity chops.
I thought hmm seems like blue hair graduate make-work to me .
I sent an upbeat email saying yes please, because rainbows are cool, and if somehow me wearing a rainbow makes certain colleagues feel more at ease in the pale stale male corporate jungle, great!
I gave mine to my 5yo daughter. I work 100% from home and have never yet been to my office. When that day comes, I'll say to reception that I forgot mine and blag another one to wear.
I'm waiting for pronouns to come up. Mine will not be forthcoming.