Female cyclists in podium no-show after being beaten by male cyclist

[EdgeOfACoin]

https://www.outkick.com/cyclists-no-show-post-race-podium-after-biological-male-finishes-1st-in-female-race/

This was in a Colorado - Utah race a couple of days ago. Apologies if there's already a thread. I didn't see one.

Interestingly, this was in the race for cyclists aged 40-49. I wonder if older athletes are less likely to stand for this nonsense. Anyway, good for them. I hope this spreads to younger cyclists and other sports.

@RealityFan
What a superb post - especially the second paragraph with its “pure superstition laced with pure selfishness”.

If MN had an award for “best post ever”, I would nominate this one above.

Another lying post about me. You’re not the first person to tell lies about me in this thread and I expect you won’t be the last.

I literally haven’t posted a single word about science in this discussion or any other, and certainly haven’t made any claims about science being settled. So why are you making up false accusations and attributing words to me that I’ve never said?

I literally haven’t posted a single word about science in this discussion or any other

Maybe not, but you’ve done all the rest, repeatedly. “Pea-brained” was one of your more entertaining insults, I recall.

What becomes clear is when there is an opportunity for some posters to post contributions to progress understanding, even to clarify potential misunderstandings of the past, those who claim to be misunderstood choose not to take those opportunities. I expect though most readers are regular readers and pick the patterns easily so have plenty of context to work out the motivation and purpose behind posts.

RealityFan · Yesterday 23:52

SinnerBoy, I've been considering this for a long time. As a man, the skin I have in the game is less the loss of rights or identity being trounced...

Most of what you wrote could have applied to me. I first took an interest in this particular topic when I was trying to find a sport, or activity for my daughter. Before then, it hadn't really been on my radar.

I was just bemused and my first thought (seeing an obvious male "win" a cycling race) was "Blimey! What a brazen cheat!"

I don't like cheats, bullies, liars or bigots and I never have. I saw terfisaslur.com and found it astounding that such evident hatred and vile threats went pretty well unanswered. As I found out more about other subjects, toilets and how transw - or those posing as - behave in them, medical care, suing to force immigrant girls to wax their bollocks.

It wasn't difficult for me to see who's being victimised and who the bullies are. It made me increasingly angry, for one thing, worrying about who my daughter may meet in a toilet, when we go out.

I've always told her, from the earliest times, "There's no boy - girl stuff, you do what you want to, don't let boys push you around. You're just as good as them and sometimes better."

She shouldn't feel like a second class citizen, who has to give way, to keep blokes happy.

SinnerBoy, when I had pretty much your realisation, I said who allows E. European drugs cheats to prosper against women decades ago...oh, men.

Who allows the current day gender dopers to prosper against women...oh, men.

If there was ever a chance for the male class to be disadvantages by women "cheats", the whole sky would cave in before ANY man, especially the misogynistic elites, would allow even a hint of this.

Maybe you can tell us all what you think of the current science wrt trans.

Top marks if you mention the Scientific American opinion piece.

@MummaMaggoth You might want to check your facts. Trans women are men. And most retain their penis and testicles. So clearly not women.

@MummaMaggoth Er, wrong, PMSL. The scientific consensus is that NO ONE CAN CHANGE SEX. They can change gender, but not sex. You are embarrassing yourself here with your scientific illiteracy.

@MummaMaggoth Trans people have not been around for 100 years, nor has there been any really study into them until a couple of decades ago. You are confusing sex, with gender. They are two entirely different things. Which explains your scientific illiteracy. Science says you can change "gender" - which is just stereotypes, but you CANNOT CHANGE SEX. A woman is a sex-based, not 'gender-based identity' class. A woman, is an Adult Human Female, which is the sex capable of producing large gametes (ova). Woman/Female is SEX-BASED.

So, therefore, a trans woman cannot be a man. Because they produce small gametes (sperm), have testicles, a Prostate, and XY Chromosomes.

@MummaMaggoth Please stop spewing idiocy and scientific illiteracy. Science has absolutely proved you cannot change your DNA or Chromosomes. Trans women are MEN, (hence the 'trans' bit), science-backed FACT.

I’m sure @MummaMaggoth can point to the science that enables the skeletal structure on the left to change to the skeletal structure on the right

@MummaMaggoth When a trans woman is on their team, they ARE competing with a man. And not by choice. Strangely, no trans man has actually played with men. And we know why. As women, trans men know they'd have no hope beating a biological actual man.

So now you 'look forward to hearing the evidence', "over time".

So you admit you lied when you suggested there was already scientific consensus and 'fact'.

I am still waiting for any of the science to be posted by Maggoth. I would think they have had time to paste one link, but alas, nothing. It is hugely disappointing.

However, I also think that Maggoth should also then explain if they can tell us just how oestrogen and power of will can change the pelvic structure of a male into anything resembling that of a female, just how Q angles impact on females in sports.

As Samphire used to post for us, 'these hips don't lie'.

It is rather a distinguishing advantage that males have over female people. It causes disadvantage in many sports due to balance and all sorts of impacts.

And.... is just another advantage that reducing testosterone simply has no impact on. Remarkable isn't it. When you start to dissect the hormonally driven advantages over the rest.

Looking forward to that science being posted Maggoth

@MummaMaggoth Recent studies show the medical community are reversing their idea about drugging people and operating on them. Recent research shows it is more harmful than doing nothing.

they have personal hang ups, you can complain and get someone who will support you.

Wtf is this?!?? Are you saying if a doctor is competent and knows drugging and mutilating is wrong and as a doctor, Does No Harm and won't treat it, you will find a (corrupt) doctor who will?

This doctor-shopping advocacy does nothing but harm people. A doctor who practices at first do no harm doesn't have "personal hang ups", they have ETHICS and are behaving how all good doctors should. You'll always find a corrupt doctor on the kick willing to sell drugs or to mutilate you, it doesn't make it right.

My understanding - which may not be entirely correct - is that the scientific consensus 25 years ago was that medical transition was the best available treatment for a small number of individuals with extreme gender dysphoria. Even then it was not particularly effective. I don't get the impression that the "science" since then, ideologically captured as it is, has taken into account the vast expansion in the number of people claiming to be trans, the changes to the profile of who is likely to claim this (now e.g. vastly more teen girls), or recent advances in psychotherapy as a possible alternative treatment.

they have personal hang ups, you can complain and get someone who will support you.

Wtf is this?!?? Are you saying if a doctor is competent and knows drugging and mutilating is wrong and as a doctor, Does No Harm and won't treat it, you will find a (corrupt) doctor who will?

yes catus. maggoth was attempting to portray any clinician who believed that a person might have comorbidities that need to be addressed first as a clinician who would be prejudiced. I believe the intention was to portray those clinicians as bigoted and conducting 'conversion therapy'.

We see this twisted perception being posted on this board and other social media platforms from time to time. It never stands up to scrutiny though. There is no doubt some clinicians who have attempted conversion therapy, but framing a clinician (who is an expert although not the type that I gather this poster refers to) who treats holistically as a conversion therapist is very dishonest.

What we also have noticed from articles and seeing social media content, is that some people will 'shop around' for a clinician who will only affirm and not treat holistically. This was also noted in the study from Kasia Kozlowska et al and others where adolescent and child patients came in with preconceptions of what the clinical treatment should be. Based on heavily invested bias from supposed support groups who have published tips on how to influence treatment.

Any poster who feels this is appropriate and that this results in the very best standard of care for any trans person must be fully entrenched and lacking in critical thinking. Maybe they outsourced their critical thinking to someone else.

This is what has happened.

Interestingly the authors of the Dutch Protocol have been clear that the current standard of care is not following their recommendations. They also have identified that the young female cohort are completely different and have been unresearched (blocked from being researched in my view) and that applying the Dutch Protocol there may be harmful.

There was also an attempt in the Nederlands to report the successful from previous patients of those early years. It missed a chunk of those patients which they are now trying to find. But only after peer review groups highlighted that the conclusions could ONLY be drawn for the patients they found so were not strong conclusions at all.

One of the long term pan-European study I found reported that 8-9% of medicalised patients had detransitioned in the long term. Over 20% who had not been fully medicalised, had desisted. This study rarely ever sees the light of day. But it was tracing back patients from the 00's.

These are all warning signs. There are so many and alarms have been raised for years.

https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1262703174290477057

"In the 1970-80s, clinicians tried to help gender-dysphoric patients lead happier lives. They weren't trying to help them impose their subjective view of reality on the rest of the population, much less do so by force of law."

https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1110899792379604993

"Old-time clinicians recommended sex reassignment because they thought it offered the best chance of alleviating a patient's distress, not because they thought the patient had a neurological intersex condition that rendered them 'essentially' the opposite sex."

@MummaMaggoth Even intersex is binary. A blood test will show they either are male, or female. You are wrong. Intersex is not a 'third sex', it's a MEDICAL ANOMALY. We don't say that because a baby was born with a third arm, that that is evidence of a three-armed human species. It's a medical deviation, not evidence of a three-armed humans. And intersex people have repeatedly asked the trans ideologists to not weaponise them in the debate and leave them out of it.

You are still confusing sex with gender. Sex is binary. Gender, isn't.

The standard script of the brainwashed trans ideologist. Assert they are right. Despite confusing sex and gender, and despite people posting evidence they are wrong. Keep stubbornly repeating "I'm right" (even though you're having your arse thoroughly handed to you). When asked for evidence, they ALWAYS say "google it", because they know they can't provide any evidence. And won't provide any. Because there ISN'T ANY. Call everyone 'bigots' and with your tantrum run away. Every single time a trans ideologist comes on here, they NEVER provide any links or evidence. EVER. There is a reason for that.

Others have posted evidence. On our side, we have EVIDENCE TO POST. You refuse to with the flimsiest 'oh you won't look at it anyway' of cowardly excuses.

You had your arse handed to you and made a spectacular fool of yourself. And unless you've completely lost all grip on reality, you must know it too even if you won't admit it.

Couldn't have put it better myself!

I am still waiting for any of the science to be posted by Maggoth. I would think they have had time to paste one link, but alas, nothing. It is hugely disappointing.

Perhaps @MummaMaggoth is too busy reading the science links that others have posted in response to their claims... [Yeah, right!]