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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Now Adidas are at it!

201 replies

eleanorwish · 17/05/2023 23:14

Woman's swimsuit modelled by a man.

twitter.com/sophielouisecc/status/1658827159803240452?s=61&t=_FVhOkJfaHrQrqGFLoyivg

What's the point? So we can see there's enough room for our meat and 2 veg?

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fajitaaa · 18/05/2023 08:15

@SquidwardBound I agree this is just being marketed as a swimsuit for everyone

Wanderingowl · 18/05/2023 08:21

FrancescaContini · 18/05/2023 06:55

Oh God, is it that rainbow time of the year again?

Adidas - another one to boycott.

There was a leaked email from a Canadian local government telling their building managers what to do for Pride season, May to September.

SquidwardBound · 18/05/2023 08:24

@fajitaaa I really can’t see a problem if adidas are actually marketing it at everyone. It’s all over the website.

There’s no indication that they’re claiming the model is female on the basis of what he is wearing. it’s just a man in a brightly coloured swimsuit.

I think the rigid gendering of clothes is part of the problem in society. I’m all for men wearing swimsuits if that’s what they’d prefer to swim in.

I don’t imagine huge numbers of men will want to wear swimsuits though. They’re harder to put on and take off than shorts. And they’ll encounter people assuming they must be trans or thinking they’re weird because they want to wear more wet Lycra in the pool than less.

FrancescaContini · 18/05/2023 08:25

May to September? Oh spare me the rainbows

Greenfairydust · 18/05/2023 08:26

fajitaaa · Today 08:14

''It's not targeted specifically at women. Ive found the item in the women's section, the mens section and the swimwear section.''

You are actually illustrating my point...

This should not appear when you search the women's section or the men's section...as it is obviously not suitable for these specific categories. The easiest way to solve this is to add a third one.

Wanderingowl · 18/05/2023 08:30

SquidwardBound · 18/05/2023 08:12

I don’t really care if adidas want to use male models to try to sell swimsuits. I don’t care if men decide they’d rather wear swimsuits in the pool either. It really is just clothes. And it would be much, much better if we moved towards ‘men can wear what they like’ rather than insisting that clothes are inherently sexed.

It sounds like this swimsuit is listed in the men’s section as well as the women’s
section on the website. So it’s just a piece of clothing they’re marketing at everyone.

The difference with the Nike/Dylan mulvaney thing was not that it was ‘women’s clothing’. It was that mulvaney’s entire thing is a horrible parody of woman (or ‘girl’ as mulvaney insists) and it was clearly only aimed at ‘women’.

But if adidas want to try to sell swimsuits to men… 🤷🏻‍♀️

It depends on the swimsuit. My swimsuit that I wear for regular pool swimming is a one piece, with a long inseam (ie short length legs). For me, it's beauty is that I never have to think about having a bikini line as it completely covers my whole pubic area and then some. It would be suitable for a man as it would contain everything. But most women's swimsuits would leave an adult man exposed as they don't have enough material in the crotch to cover an adult penis and testicles.

I find their choice to use this model ridiculous but not grossly offensive like Mulvaney. That said, I have some Adidas clothes that I like and no Nike so maybe I'm just justifying wanting to keep wearing my favourite jacket? I'm glad I bought it in a charity shop though!

SquidwardBound · 18/05/2023 08:31

Greenfairydust · 18/05/2023 08:26

fajitaaa · Today 08:14

''It's not targeted specifically at women. Ive found the item in the women's section, the mens section and the swimwear section.''

You are actually illustrating my point...

This should not appear when you search the women's section or the men's section...as it is obviously not suitable for these specific categories. The easiest way to solve this is to add a third one.

Why?

why can’t both men and women wear swimsuits?

why does a man wanting to wear a swimsuit have to make them a third category.

It’s so depressing how regressive all this gender stuff is (despite thinking it’s so bloody progressive). Can’t they just be clothes and people can choose whatever clothes they like while still just being male and female humans?

SquidwardBound · 18/05/2023 08:33

Wanderingowl · 18/05/2023 08:30

It depends on the swimsuit. My swimsuit that I wear for regular pool swimming is a one piece, with a long inseam (ie short length legs). For me, it's beauty is that I never have to think about having a bikini line as it completely covers my whole pubic area and then some. It would be suitable for a man as it would contain everything. But most women's swimsuits would leave an adult man exposed as they don't have enough material in the crotch to cover an adult penis and testicles.

I find their choice to use this model ridiculous but not grossly offensive like Mulvaney. That said, I have some Adidas clothes that I like and no Nike so maybe I'm just justifying wanting to keep wearing my favourite jacket? I'm glad I bought it in a charity shop though!

You’d hope men would choose swimsuits that don’t cause them to flash people for their trip to the municipal swimming pool though.

All clothes can fit more or less well depending on body shape.

MyFavouriteMistake · 18/05/2023 08:35

Adding Adidas to the boycott list.

Wanderingowl · 18/05/2023 08:35

SquidwardBound · 18/05/2023 08:33

You’d hope men would choose swimsuits that don’t cause them to flash people for their trip to the municipal swimming pool though.

All clothes can fit more or less well depending on body shape.

For a lot of these men, flashing people is a feature rather than a bug!

SquidwardBound · 18/05/2023 08:40

Wanderingowl · 18/05/2023 08:35

For a lot of these men, flashing people is a feature rather than a bug!

That’s a problem of male behaviour though, not a reason why swimsuits must be ‘women’s clothes’.

It would still be a behaviour if they were wearing too skimpy briefs in the pool. And should be challenged on the basis that it’s not ok to wear things that don’t adequately cover your balls.

nilsmousehammer · 18/05/2023 09:01

The two things have become entangled though, and that is due to the behaviour and choices of some men. And yes that does affect the entire sex class.

For example I'm finding I'm shifting from having all my life welcoming all people of all sexes to wear whatever they like and clothes just being clothes to starting to be wary, because it's been rammed in my face too many times by men that it is often not innocent self expression and choice but a sexual fetish used to abuse non consenting women. While expecting women to

a) continue to insist that they see innocent purity and nothing wrong despite the evidence in front of them because that's 'kind' (as opposed to being a gullible mug)

and

b) to suppress their natural pattern recognition to prioritise caring for any innocent male who may suffer prejudice because of a lot of fetishists abusing women.

This is the 'slightly fraudulent, lovely, fully transitioned accountant' thing as the potential one innocent male who should justifiably be in a women's prison (and so Isla Bryson, Karen White and any other male who feels like being there should be permitted and tolerated in what they do to women prisoners in case the mythical accountant suffers.) And that 'you can suck up a few assaults/rapes etc can't you? rather than traumatise a vulnerable male with boundaries?' thing.

When an advertiser is ramming in my face the whole 'this is a woman' thing, these buttons and experiences are now pushed. Pattern recognition and unwillingness to be exploited is not a hate crime against male people. It's basic common sense. I'm not willing to wilfully shut out that reality at my own expense in order to benefit male people. I'm not a support human.

aweegc · 18/05/2023 09:03

I clicked the link and actually thought he was modelling a girl's swimsuit, and a super ugly one at that. I cannot imagine anybody choosing it unless they were trying to make some very weird fashion statement. It's plain fugly.

People saying they don't mind men wearing it, I agree in principle. But the model is, well a model. The average body that self-identifies as female is usually of different proportions. That suit would not keep everything in place down below.

And YY to the pp who said that if they design clothes to be worn by both sexes, it'll be designed for the straighter bodies of men. Anybody who doubts this, go and look at the clothing designed for both sexes: if they have no Lycra, the cuts are basically like some communist uniform that assumes women have at most, B-cup breasts. More unflattering clothing for both sexes you cannot find!

SinnerBoy · 18/05/2023 09:24

I may be over thinking this, but I've had a good look at him. The swimming costume seems to fit him very well and I wonder if it's been tailor made for him. If so, why would they do that?

MoggyMittens23 · 18/05/2023 09:25

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/05/16/adidas-pride-2023-collection/

I think there's more to it than this. I agree, not massively bothered by man wearing swimming costume, but it shouldn't be in the women's section in that case. but this partnership, calling for inclusivity in sports (i think we all know what that means!) and partnering with Tom Daley... that's a no from me

where the fuck am I going to get my trainers from now

Adidas releases its Pride 2023 collection and teams up with Tom Daley

The Pride 2023 collection from Adidas is inspired by 'Let Love Be Your Legacy' and sees them team up with Tom Daley.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/05/16/adidas-pride-2023-collection

MagpiePi · 18/05/2023 09:30

Oh fuuuck. I really like Adidas but…Pride, Tom Daley…another boycott 😪

We had our ‘it’s Pride month, here are all the marches you can go on’ talk at work yesterday.

MoggyMittens23 · 18/05/2023 09:32

I'm actually quite upset. After the whole thing with Nike, I just thought, oh well there's always Adidas.

SinnerBoy · 18/05/2023 09:34

My last three pairs of trainers have been Adidas, as they seem to be the only ones which fit my moose feet.

fajitaaa · 18/05/2023 09:44

Greenfairydust · 18/05/2023 08:26

fajitaaa · Today 08:14

''It's not targeted specifically at women. Ive found the item in the women's section, the mens section and the swimwear section.''

You are actually illustrating my point...

This should not appear when you search the women's section or the men's section...as it is obviously not suitable for these specific categories. The easiest way to solve this is to add a third one.

Yes it is. It's suitable for both the categories

MoggyMittens23 · 18/05/2023 09:49

fajitaaa · 18/05/2023 09:44

Yes it is. It's suitable for both the categories

Ok well then it makes sense to have a man pictured wearing it for the men's section and a woman for the women's, no?

fajitaaa · 18/05/2023 09:56

MoggyMittens23 · 18/05/2023 09:49

Ok well then it makes sense to have a man pictured wearing it for the men's section and a woman for the women's, no?

Yes but then they'd have to pay two models. The plus sized model is female I think.

MoggyMittens23 · 18/05/2023 09:59

fajitaaa · 18/05/2023 09:56

Yes but then they'd have to pay two models. The plus sized model is female I think.

....... so it's more important to make sure they (who have a fuck ton of money) only have to pay one model then get the right sex for the right section?

Hairbrushhandle · 18/05/2023 10:00

I can't get worked up about this. Men can wear swimsuits, they're not owned by women just as I wear board shorts. And I'm sure Adidas will realise that women don't tend to want to think about a ton of junk at the front when choosing a nice swimsuit for holidays when they see their sales figures.

MoggyMittens23 · 18/05/2023 10:03

Hairbrushhandle · 18/05/2023 10:00

I can't get worked up about this. Men can wear swimsuits, they're not owned by women just as I wear board shorts. And I'm sure Adidas will realise that women don't tend to want to think about a ton of junk at the front when choosing a nice swimsuit for holidays when they see their sales figures.

Yes, men can wear swimsuits (i have never actually seen one do so) So whack that in the men's section. And then put it in the women's section too with a woman modelling it. Job done!

hamstersarse · 18/05/2023 10:08

My over-riding feeling is that they are not actually very good at capitalism

How many sales are they going to get from this? 10?

I'd genuinely guess about 10 men in the whole of the UK will buy this product. And they will only be wearing it in their basement and taking selfies

And then there is the issue around alienating women who see male bodies in the women's section. At least 10 women in the UK will now not buy Adidas products, so we are onto a net loss very quickly. I doubt it will actually attract new women to their brand - even the wokest of the woke women have better options when it comes to swimwear than that monstrosity

Silly billies

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