Nancy Kelly wants us to support this man's fight to play rugby with women.

[DerekFaker]

Mask off. And replies off as well.

"If you can, support @tigergirl_70 in her fight for an inclusive rugby game #MakeSportEveronesGame"

https://twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1657427311036170242?t=Kt2hAR8OUgKDmG-twWbz5Q&s=19

knowing that all I had to do was lie about my gender identity issues through months or years of psychiatry sessions, take a shitload of androgen blockers, go to speech therapy, and recover from multiple invasive surgeries!

Yes, that is ALL they have to do.

What a grim little list of things some people think are a good idea.

That's the satire Mishy. You don't understand obviously.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · Yesterday 23:22

He doesn’t want to play with women. He wants to play against them.

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of it in that way before.

*Hepwo" · Today 01:25

That's the satire Mishy. You don't understand obviously.

I'm sure that Mushy knows it's supposed to be satire and that they are trying to make some sort of point, along the lines that, if a chap subjects himself to all that, the he is a Real Lady® and by virtue of that, fully deserving of Access All Areas.

Just read some of that guy's blog. Christ. Having a shit childhood is no excuse for being such a MASSIVE NARCISSIST is all I can say. And god, the clichés. Works in IT, lives in Brighton, wives don't understand him, just wants to wear frilly knickers Yadda Yadda. Thinks he's so special and unique but sounds exactly like every self-obsessed middle aged AGP cross dresser, ever.

Tiger Girl's tweets have gone Private. If they go public again, do archive, pretty please 🙏

Good work whoever archived those revolting blog posts 😈

I wonder if Cat Burton's reply to Nancy helps to explain why this case is happening at all?

Their perception of reality is so skewed that they seriously think anyone wants or needs to see "pre-transition photos"?

This is like an anorexic looking in the mirror and seeing a fat person.

I've seen this mentioned by Rod Fleming as "host vs artefact", ie. that when they look in the mirror they genuinely see the reflection of the women they want to be, so they think that is what everyone else sees. He describes this as the "artefact", created in adolescence and never ageing or changing fashion with the times.

https://www.rodfleming.com/autogynephilic-artefact-formation/

Say it louder

Let's all say it louder.

RFU and all male rugby players also need to consider if they let trans women play in women's games then trans men will be allowed to play in men's matches.
So not only is there the H&S risk to the females in all games and massive risk of injury, court cases, compensation, hugely negative publicity about the dangerous game (likely leading to lower take up and a demise of the game overall), but there would also be the more straightforward issue that men's teams with trans men on them would be less likely to win.
And I don't think male rugby players would like that - maybe they should stop turning a blind eye and thinking it doesn't affect them.

The article also pushes the very dysfunctional thinking that a male who has put themselves through enough has earned the right to harm and exclude women as some kind of consolation prize. Under a veneer of all the women pretending there is no difference and letting them get away with - well. Up to and including murder if a tackle goes wrong.

But the important thing is that the male has a nice experience. And that no women get away with having boundaries. Like his step mother managing to be allowed to own any knickers the male in question has not used sexually for his own purposes, despite her making very, very clear she does not consent.

The misogyny and dehumanisation of women in all this is quite boggling. It is not normal to see women in this awful way.

On a previous thread a poster said they had a transman relative who played in a local men's team

I can see that happening. Round here there are clubs struggling to field 15 players who would take anyone with a pulse. Bottom of local leagues, never going to win much, just don't want to forfeit a match. Their male players are not at risk.

Also, World Rugby says "Transgender men may play men's rugby having provided confirmation of physical ability" and gives details of that confirmation, which include "Written acknowledgement and acceptance by the player of the associated risks of playing contact rugby with males who are statistically likely to be stronger, faster and heavier than them, given the predictions this combination of variables makes for injury risk".

I honestly can't see transmen making the cut anywhere but the lowest levels

Unless and until litigation occurs casting doubt on the validity of the disclaimer above, and consequences for compensation and insurance become evident, I can't see men caring about transmen in the game from that perspective either.

Haven't RTFT, so apologies if this has already been posted. Here is a twitter thread from legal expert Michael Foran explaining what the motivation might be for bringing an action which seems so obviously doomed to failure.

https://twitter.com/michaelpforan/status/1658443846940782593

Interesting that a female who has identified as a man is given the respect of being asked for informed consent due to the risk of injury when playing with males.

Not extended of course to mere females identifying as women.

World Rugby doesn't currently allow transwomen to play women's rugby at all.

Because of fairness and risk of injury.

Thanks for this. Let's hope they don't get to court and win.

The article also pushes the very dysfunctional thinking that a male who has put themselves through enough has earned the right to harm and exclude women as some kind of consolation prize.

I keep seeing this. In fact I once had an online argument with a man who was very angry when I said that men can't become women. His view was that if a man really wanted to be a woman, and had been through years of misery, therapy yada yada then of course he was a woman. So weird - as if really desperately wanting a thing makes it so. And that I was some terrible bigot for insisting no, that doesn't make you a woman. Extreme irrationality meets extreme male entitlement.

That seems similar to what the Democrats are pushing in the US at the moment.

Sorry if this has already been posted.
Someone paid £5 to the crowdfunder to say point out males do not belong in female sport

@Bosky
"Host and artefact".
That does explain it, thanks.

Very late to this but can I just congratulate @SockGoddess for coining ‘the grey rock of underwear’, which had me snorting my early-morning tea.

I do wonder what Julie-Anne Curtiss’s sister, mother, stepmother and ex would have to say. I expect their views on this person might be interesting to hear.

@ResisterRex
I think Foran's point is that they won't win and they know it, but are hoping that there will be something in the ruling that they can quote out of context in support of the idea that there can be no blanket exclusions. They will then use it to muddy the waters and make sport fearful of seeming discriminatory or of actually being sued.

@MishyJDI
It doesn't matter how many surgical or administrative procedures males claiming to be women submit to, or whether they are painful or pleasant, nothing will turn a male human being into a female human being and thus render them eligible for inclusion in the female category in sport.
The reasons for undergoing any procedures are irrelevant because the effect is the same - any male in a women's sport event is gender doping. Cheating.

Since this person's sister, mother, stepmother and ex are (presumably) of the partially-sentient support-biped type, I expect that nobody on The Right Side of History even thinks they have views, let alone ones that deserve to be heard.

Oh stop it! I'm an actual real women with actual real pelvic floor challenges after birthing 2 kids and you make me laugh so much I nearly wee'd myself!

It is chilling how little of a fuck he gives for anyone else involved isn't it? I guess narcissists will .narcissist though.

Haha, the most recent six at least funders have left the pithiest comments. Sometimes I love the human race.

I keep seeing this. In fact I once had an online argument with a man who was very angry when I said that men can't become women. His view was that if a man really wanted to be a woman, and had been through years of misery, therapy yada yada then of course he was a woman. So weird - as if really desperately wanting a thing makes it so. And that I was some terrible bigot for insisting no, that doesn't make you a woman. Extreme irrationality meets extreme male entitlement.

I think that's their main "rationale", they don't really have any better arguments, other than "some people have disorders of sex development so sex is meaningless and personal identity is more important"

Someone on the Crowdfunder has donated a fiver for a support squirrel 😄

I look forward to seeing who Rugby pick as their Barrister. If only it could be either Naomi or Ben!

I wonder who the male rugby player will choose and how important bundles are to them.