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Nancy Kelly wants us to support this man's fight to play rugby with women.

298 replies

DerekFaker · 16/05/2023 11:03

Mask off. And replies off as well.

"If you can, support @tigergirl_70 in her fight for an inclusive rugby game #MakeSportEveronesGame"

https://twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1657427311036170242?t=Kt2hAR8OUgKDmG-twWbz5Q&s=19

Nancy Kelly wants us to support this man's fight to play rugby with women.
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KalimbaMoon · 16/05/2023 15:30

megletthesecond · 16/05/2023 15:21

I'd rather he played rugby with actual tigers.

At least they’d stand a chance of not getting injured! 😂

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/05/2023 15:31

With any luck the GLP will pick up the case. 😂

IcakethereforeIam · 16/05/2023 15:33

Accent seems to have a bit of a twang, I don't think 'e's from round 'ere.

That film, the music🙄i couldn't tell what was human and what was armchair.

RealityFan · 16/05/2023 15:35

Alwaystheweather · 16/05/2023 14:57

My Lord. The lack of self reflection. The open entitlement. The open hypocrisy. The utter narcissism.

How can anyone fail to see this as male entitlement writ large? It’s so open. It’s not even hidden. It’s not even attempting to be hidden.

I think we're starting to see the start of the fraying and derailing of this previously impregnable juggernaut. The wobbling twds going off the rails.

Until maybe even 12 months ago, the focus from the TRA side was relentless, doubling down on dissent, weaponising No Debate.

And tbh, it was pretty much working seamlessly, for every JKR Tweet, there was a deluge from the other side, both Tories and Labour hinting at Self ID, zero investigation from the likes of NYT etc.

But ever since I would say the Cass Report and Mermaids implosion, there's been a marked diluting of energy, mixed messaging, and truncated energy.

Sure, it's still absolutely harrasing with the likes of Posie assault, the need for Sal Grover to have to go to court, the general diffidence of those in liberal elite circles to say anything meaningful.

But the arrow of fate is moving in our direction, there are more and more court cases, of greater and greater dubiousness, the standard bearers on the TRA side are using more and more defeatist language (no movement that was winning would ramp up use of Nazi, facist, genocide, terrorist).

And this case is a case in point. The protagonists must know they're gonna lose. So why do it?

Because the only way to keep the churn turning, to artificially generate energy via conflict, to impress upon everyone the desperation of the movement, is to be more and more performatively visible.

It's like the failing husband who after a marriage full of his abusing, seeing the writing on the wall in the divorce court, artificially plies his wife with bouquets and chocolate and bolder and bolder promises.

And she ain't having it anymore. So he gets even wilder.

crunchermuncher · 16/05/2023 15:41

I'm getting really tired of the 'trans people are banned from sport' rhetoric.

No, trans people have to play in the category appropriate category for their sex at birth, for the safety of all. Like everyone else!

Transwomen are only 'banned' in the sense that men are banned from playing with women.

GailBlancheViola · 16/05/2023 15:46

But ever since I would say the Cass Report and Mermaids implosion, there's been a marked diluting of energy, mixed messaging, and truncated energy.

I also think that Elon Musk taking over Twitter has had an impact too, no more carefully curated echo chamber which is why Stonewall turn off replies to their tweets.

WeeBisom · 16/05/2023 15:55

I'm actually amazed, given how poorly the TRAs look in court, that they have the balls to bring this court case. The exemptions in the Equality Act are there in black and white. Sports bodies are allowed to refuse even males with GRCs from competing in female sports. This is as open and shut as the recent Joanna Cherry discrimination case.

IcakethereforeIam · 16/05/2023 15:55

Someone called 'Olenna' donated £2,650 which is an oddly specific amount.

SockGoddess · 16/05/2023 15:57

What's the obsession with 'soft underwear'? Was all the mens stuff he had made of hessian or something ?

I know it's bizarre. Yes another misrepresentation of reality. Call me vanilla but I haven't seen much men's underwear with metal clips and wires in it, or hard scratchy lace. The ex-wife who liked the plain pants would have had softer underwear than the wife who likes the "feminine" stuff.

It's all a ridiculous stereotype of what being female is like. The "softness" is imaginary.

RealityFan · 16/05/2023 15:58

WeeBisom · 16/05/2023 15:55

I'm actually amazed, given how poorly the TRAs look in court, that they have the balls to bring this court case. The exemptions in the Equality Act are there in black and white. Sports bodies are allowed to refuse even males with GRCs from competing in female sports. This is as open and shut as the recent Joanna Cherry discrimination case.

They're just children, how would anyone expect children to act in court? Especially a gaggle as poorly behaved and passive aggressive as this bunch of charmless narks.

They want their chocolate cake and jelly. And they want it now! And the grown ups are saying NO.

GailBlancheViola · 16/05/2023 16:07

They want their chocolate cake and jelly. And they want it now! And the grown ups are saying NO.

Don't forget the support dogs, mums and a.n.other all requirements for any court case, gotta go for that sympathy vote.

ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 16:10

DarkDayforMN · 16/05/2023 14:57

https://tigergirl.uk/2010/06/

Jesus. So after a long period of stealing and wearing his mother's underwear and his sisters' underwear, his mother sent him off to live with his father, where he sexually harassed his stepmother to the extent of making a key to the bedroom she'd locked to keep him out, so he was sent off to boarding school, and naturally he's the victim in this story. And he has the lack of self-awareness to put all this right there on the page like that, albeit cunningly buried in so much windbag pub bore bloviating that I wouldn't have found the relevant quotes that ArabellaScott picked out.

He seems like an absolutely perfect poster "girl" for men in women's rugby and I hope he gets lots and lots of publicity for his lawsuit. Thanks Nancy Kelley!

I note it's mostly female names who have donated to his lawsuit - I hope they aren't women though.

It's Nancy Kelley who needs to explain this, really. Why are the efforts of an enormously well funded (tax payer funded) organisation, set up to protect the human rights of LGBT people, now being spent trying to ensure Julie's right to shower with the girls?

RealityFan · 16/05/2023 16:12

RealityFan · 16/05/2023 15:58

They're just children, how would anyone expect children to act in court? Especially a gaggle as poorly behaved and passive aggressive as this bunch of charmless narks.

They want their chocolate cake and jelly. And they want it now! And the grown ups are saying NO.

Gonna coin a new term...the Aggressive Passives.

Aggressive to every woman and GC they meet, threatening cancellation whomever they cross swords with.

Passive in court with their flank of hangers on and people/animals to prop them up, sadly delivering stories of woe.

nilsmousehammer · 16/05/2023 16:16

Alwaystheweather · 16/05/2023 14:57

My Lord. The lack of self reflection. The open entitlement. The open hypocrisy. The utter narcissism.

How can anyone fail to see this as male entitlement writ large? It’s so open. It’s not even hidden. It’s not even attempting to be hidden.

This.

Along with the utterly appalling behaviour towards the stepmother.

The answer really has to be in words of one syllable and in anglo saxon at this point, there is no sense in trying to engage with it rationally or logically or as if you are talking to a reasonable person with any social capacity at all for respect for other beings.

The phrase that comes to mind is 'fuck' and 'off'.

NotHavingIt · 16/05/2023 16:17

ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 16:10

It's Nancy Kelley who needs to explain this, really. Why are the efforts of an enormously well funded (tax payer funded) organisation, set up to protect the human rights of LGBT people, now being spent trying to ensure Julie's right to shower with the girls?

It suggests, maybe, that Stonewall also has some U.S based funding? Maybe the Pritzkers or the Arcus foundation?

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

NotHavingIt · 16/05/2023 16:20

" Arcus donated $142,000 to Stonewall (Former Gay Rights Charity in the UK). This was just before Stonewall added the T to LGB and expanded their remit to cover Transgender issues. This was one grant. They also provided an additional $42,000 to support a project called “Rainbow Laces” to bring the LGBTQ into sport"

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2021/04/22/arcus-foundation-grants/

ARCUS FOUNDATION GRANTS

The Arcus Foundation is heavily invested in the dissemination of Transgender Ideology. To learn more about this you can do no better than reading Jennifer Bilek on this topic. This article here is …

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2021/04/22/arcus-foundation-grants

SockGoddess · 16/05/2023 16:25

Along with the utterly appalling behaviour towards the stepmother.

It really is incredible how "trans" make any person - especially if male - automatically a victim and deserving of endless sympathy and special provision, and a blind eye turned to anything dodgy they're done. Meanwhile CEOs and politicians regularly resign if it turns out they sexually harassed a woman. But if it's a TW who did anything like that, it's unimportant. I do not understand that at at all - surely supposedly well-meaning allies like NK would want to distance themselves from TW with a history of dodgy behaviour, in the interests of trying to avoid that association. Instead they seem fine with it Confused why?

IcakethereforeIam · 16/05/2023 16:26

I thought we were the ones getting funded by Americans (though I'm still waiting for mine 😡), every accusation is a confession, or words to that effect.

nilsmousehammer · 16/05/2023 16:26

SockGoddess · 16/05/2023 16:25

Along with the utterly appalling behaviour towards the stepmother.

It really is incredible how "trans" make any person - especially if male - automatically a victim and deserving of endless sympathy and special provision, and a blind eye turned to anything dodgy they're done. Meanwhile CEOs and politicians regularly resign if it turns out they sexually harassed a woman. But if it's a TW who did anything like that, it's unimportant. I do not understand that at at all - surely supposedly well-meaning allies like NK would want to distance themselves from TW with a history of dodgy behaviour, in the interests of trying to avoid that association. Instead they seem fine with it Confused why?

In cases like this, it appears to seek trying to make acceptable if not glorify wholly unacceptable, appalling behaviour and dysfunction.

To which the answer is: No.

nilsmousehammer · 16/05/2023 16:31

Re the stepmother: yet again the behaviour reminds me of someone in the grip of an addiction.

And causing the kind of collateral damage to loved ones suffered by those around a person in the grip of an addiction.

And you may have sympathy for the person's vulnerabilities that caused the addiction. You may have sympathy that an addiction is hard to overcome. But the behaviours of an addiction? The harm to others? No.

GrouchyKiwi · 16/05/2023 16:31

illiterato · 16/05/2023 11:25

I feel rugby is the sport where there is least space for argument. If you just look at what has happened to the men's sport since it went professional, it is clear that weight and the strength that comes with that is a huge advantage. They are MASSIVE compared to the 90's. Also, one of the things parents continually ask for is weight limits for age groups (Australia has this already I believe).

NZ does too. My brother used to play in an under-85kg league, till he got too injured. He now coaches. Still needs to be segregated by sex as well.

GailBlancheViola · 16/05/2023 16:38

Since Stonewall has plenty of funds and sees this case as super important why are they not funding it or bringing it on behalf of the poor TW who just wants to play?

Kucinghitam · 16/05/2023 16:43

I'm quite fascinated that this cause, this sport, and this individual are the Hill that StonewallKelly has Chosen to Die On.

Just fascinated.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/05/2023 16:44

That tagline under the crowdjustice link: "fighting the ban on trans women in rugby"...there is no fucking ban on transwomen in rugby! They can play with the other men FFS.

WickedSerious · 16/05/2023 16:46

crunchermuncher · 16/05/2023 15:41

I'm getting really tired of the 'trans people are banned from sport' rhetoric.

No, trans people have to play in the category appropriate category for their sex at birth, for the safety of all. Like everyone else!

Transwomen are only 'banned' in the sense that men are banned from playing with women.

It's the same with the 'being denied healthcare'claptrap,they're not banned from hospitals.

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