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FisherthemsFriend · 2023-05-08T10:11:14+00:00

[[https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586 https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1655477645184835586]] It’s not clear what the customer said, it’s presumed she misgenders the employee as he calls her transphobic. He calls her Karen and then either grabs the phone or the person who’s filming.

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 17:35

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/05/2023 17:26

Yep, reviews have gone. And the star rating had gone down to 3.1 as of about an hour ago, and is now back up at 3.7 (though this is still lower than it was earlier this afternoon).

Just gone 9:00am in Mountain View.

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 17:36

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2023 17:28

Yep, reviews have gone

So will the thread in all likelihood; companies tend not to appreciate bad publicity and I fully expect this one to be onto MNHQ as we write

You can save MN threads. I sometimes do for lolz as a way of winning a bet with myself. As in "I bet this thread gets pulled".

AutumnCrow · 08/05/2023 17:40

I've got MN archives as well!

Starbucks's problem is that this is all over Twitter, and I don't think they get to tell Elon Musk what to do.

OrbandSpectacle · 08/05/2023 17:41

Love it AutumnCrow!

honeyrider · 08/05/2023 17:43

It's doing the rounds in Ireland too.

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 17:44

AutumnCrow · 08/05/2023 17:40

I've got MN archives as well!

Starbucks's problem is that this is all over Twitter, and I don't think they get to tell Elon Musk what to do.

If it's true the person involved has been dismissed, then it's sort of no longer a Starbucks problem.

However, I can imagine a future where this person manages to find a publicity hungry pro bono legal firm who would be more than happy to set up a tribunal claim about some sort of discrimination. This story could run, and run.

OldGardinia · 08/05/2023 17:46

Deadringer · 08/05/2023 17:02

Tell me you are a man without telling me you are a man.

wins women's cycling event

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 17:56

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 17:44

If it's true the person involved has been dismissed, then it's sort of no longer a Starbucks problem.

However, I can imagine a future where this person manages to find a publicity hungry pro bono legal firm who would be more than happy to set up a tribunal claim about some sort of discrimination. This story could run, and run.

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Clouting a member of the public (who hasn't even interacted with you) on camera is gross misconduct in anyone's book, even without the confrontation with the customer. I can't see a pro bono or contingency fee solicitor wanting to waste their resources on this.

The discrimination angle doesn't play because he would need to demonstrate that other employees who have thumped passing members of the public without provocation have been treated more favourably, i.e. have not been sacked.

GailBlancheViola · 08/05/2023 17:58

Not really flying a positive flag for employability much like the person harassing who works for the NW Ambulance service harassing a severely disabled woman.

RealityFan · 08/05/2023 17:59

Every time it seems like gender is the most befuddling concept in the universe, it comes into clear focus.

No sane woman would act this way in public. Affected rage, slandering someone to their face, physical altercation with a bystander.

Male gender tropes all the way.

Oh sure, this guy on a good day can perform the tilted head posture, totter about in heels, and puff himself up, in the way his warped psyche "sees" how a woman "acts", and appropriates it.

But scratch a little and the toxin of male aggressive expectancy just bleeds out.

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 18:01

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 17:56

Clouting a member of the public (who hasn't even interacted with you) on camera is gross misconduct in anyone's book, even without the confrontation with the customer. I can't see a pro bono or contingency fee solicitor wanting to waste their resources on this.

The discrimination angle doesn't play because he would need to demonstrate that other employees who have thumped passing members of the public without provocation have been treated more favourably, i.e. have not been sacked.

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I didn't say they had a case. I said I can see them being supported in "a case".

Bearing in mind some of the more fruitloop cases we do see in court, I wouldn't rule this one out.

Employee raises a grievance because they were "discriminated" against (i.e misgendered) which places a duty of care on the employer to protect them from said discrimination. Because of the employers lack of protection the employee feared for their own safety and acted "in self defence" by assaulting the cameraperson.

Do I win an internship at Sue, Grabbit & Runne ? Or Carter-Fuck and partners ?

ArabeIIaScott · 08/05/2023 18:02

Kendodd · 08/05/2023 17:04

They might need to have words with the women though about committing a hate crime.

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You're basing this accusation on what?

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 18:04

ArabeIIaScott · 08/05/2023 18:02

You're basing this accusation on what?

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In 2023 Britain, you don't need facts.

pickyourown · 08/05/2023 18:05

Awful behaviour. They jump on any opportunity to scream ‘transphobe’.
The customer was happy for it to be filmed, whilst he wasn’t. Make of that what you will....

Ourladycheesusedatum · 08/05/2023 18:05

ArabeIIaScott · 08/05/2023 18:02

You're basing this accusation on what?

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Its sarcasm, or I read it as that

stbrandonsboat · 08/05/2023 18:08

What would these characters do if they were faced with an elderly person or someone with a learning disability or a partially impaired person? Are they going to thump them for 'misgendering' them as well?

Starbucks isn't very inclusive is it? "Only visit us if you're a 6'3" male (real male that is) with a decent left hook."

Deary me.

MagpiePi · 08/05/2023 18:10

Pixiedust1234 · 08/05/2023 12:20

So he called her Karen, clapped in her face and assaulted a bystander/witness, and refused a refund despite not giving her what she paid for (theft).

Yep. Just another entitled male.

Or a member of the most marginalised and discriminated group in society?
🤔

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 18:11

What would these characters do if they were faced with an elderly person or someone with a learning disability or a partially impaired person? Are they going to thump them for 'misgendering' them as well?

Secret training video:

Armstrong and Miller - the best "Kill Them" joke they ever did (isn't it)

The best "Kill Them" joke they ever did, borderline genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDN3LWWey5E

LarkLane · 08/05/2023 18:14

I doubt very much that the genuinely most marginalised in society are handy with their fists and gobby insults.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 08/05/2023 18:21

SerendipityJane · 08/05/2023 18:01

I didn't say they had a case. I said I can see them being supported in "a case".

Bearing in mind some of the more fruitloop cases we do see in court, I wouldn't rule this one out.

Employee raises a grievance because they were "discriminated" against (i.e misgendered) which places a duty of care on the employer to protect them from said discrimination. Because of the employers lack of protection the employee feared for their own safety and acted "in self defence" by assaulting the cameraperson.

Do I win an internship at Sue, Grabbit & Runne ? Or Carter-Fuck and partners ?

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But why would any solicitor support them, even on a pro bono basis, if they stand no chance of winning?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/05/2023 18:23

But why would any solicitor support them, even on a pro bono basis, if they stand no chance of winning?

For the sake of publicity for the cause, MissLucyEyelesbarrow ...

Waterfallgirl · 08/05/2023 18:29

WhyThatsDelightful · 08/05/2023 15:36

They’ve just kept their heads down for a bit and not changed. The evidence that that marketing campaign is still published asserts their status. It’s an effective strategy, just watch and wait, and they’ll be back to normal.

Here’s just one example where “business as usual” is operating. Sussex Partnership NHS Foundation Trust have selected a mental health charity to provide NHS services on their behalf. A charity who continue to use Mermaids as a trusted operator in child and young adult mental health services.

https://www.brightonandhovewellbeing.org/children-and-young-people

https://www.ymcadlg.org/?s=Mermaids

”Mermaids work to raise awareness about gender nonconformity in children and young people. They provide resources and information as a reference point for professionals supporting a gender non-conforming or transgender young person.”

I’m sure “it’s an oversight” etc etc. Large organisation and so on. Took me 30 seconds to find it. Maybe actually choosing to look for it (and the others) is the oversight.

The evidence here shows that professional gatekeeping we rely on to keep our kids safe isn’t operating.

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Thank you @WhyThatsDelightful .

ATerrorofLeftovers · 08/05/2023 18:29

OldGardinia · 08/05/2023 16:26

That one is from Heinlein, iirc. But the gist is the same: a society where there are consequences for being rude, people are less rude.

The West used to have what has been termed an "honour based" society. Duels fought, phrases like "dem dare's fightin' words" and real Montagues and Capulets stuff. Without a pervasive authority to reliably settle disputes, people settled them between themselves. Then with a common authority, those things stop and people appeal to that authority for justice. And that works or doesn't work depending on the circumstances and the people but it does more or less settle things down. Then after a couple of generations of people growing up in such a society, everything becomes about appealing to authority and casting yourself as a victim the ultimate tactic. It would be nice if somehow we could get to the middle phase and just stay there.

I've been getting increasingly worried about what comes next. There's the meme I used to see online of: "And then for no reason at all, Hitler was elected to power." It's said after you see some disorder or abuse being condoned by authority or things like that UNESCO report that appears to be stating that children can consent to sex with adults. Basically equating our society to the way the Weimar republic went with child prostitution, economic recklessness, et al.

We're still, I hope, a long way from that. But one real depression and combine that with a collapse in social fabric and it's not like it can only happen in Germany and only in the past. Most people are followers. Eventually, if their leaders endlessly fail them, people shrug and say "okay, your turn." And I'm not talking about Labour vs. Conservatives. I'm talking about Liberal vs. Fascist.

It probably wont go that far (I hope), but I think there's a very real possibility that the trans movement is going to result in a significant social push back on gay and lesbian people and rights. I say "going to," but frankly I might better say "already is".

I'm not even wholly convinced gay male and lesbian have a 100% natural basis to be lumped together given the wildly different sexual patterns of men vs. women (in general), but I'm quite firm in my belief that LGB and TQ are not and that the latter is causing a lot of damage to the former.

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I have been having very similar thoughts and feelings to this, it’s all been feeling very ‘last days of Rome’, but you have articulated it all so much better than I had got to. Hope we’ve started to pull it back before it reaches tipping point, but we have been very much on the brink.

willWillSmithsmith · 08/05/2023 18:30

WeAreTheHeroes · 08/05/2023 16:09

I wasn't there so don't know, but I suspect the woman customer has complained about or maybe even just referred to the trans person to their colleague. The reaction is off the scale if it was a simple reference to them. This person does themselves no favours by being so aggressive, using a misogynistic term and then being violent.

What gets me about the whole TRA thing is that some transwomen seem to be so threatened by women they behave so openly misogynistically towards them.

Time to reclaim Karen too and stop it's use as a term of abuse.

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Some of them seem to really hate women. Maybe that’s why they do it, to deliberately get in to our spaces and ‘take over’ the female species. Not all of course but the aggressive, violent extreme ones. I’ve been served by two very pleasant trans people (not Starbucks which I never go to anyway).

Miajk · 08/05/2023 18:32

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